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[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 218 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm going to vote, and vote for Biden, but realistically, the democrats have already fumbled this big time.

The debate: honest to fuck, Trump looked composed and almost presidential next to Joe in that debate. I facepalmed in the first thirty seconds and never stopped. Jesus Christ, that was a massacre, and I don't know how anyone can pretend otherwise.

Biden himself: The debate kind of unsealed the can of questions about Joe's well being, and you're just not getting the snakes back in. Every time he goes to prove he's still Joe from 2020 or 2012, we get Joe from 2024, or even a flash of Joe from the debates. His audio is always fucked because he's speaking so soft that they have to turn the gain all the way up to pick him up, which means they also grab all kinds of artifact. He walks like an old man refusing to use the walker that his doctor is begging him to use. He keeps having pretty serious gaffes that kind of go beyond what we've come to expect from Joe. This just isn't going away, especially because every attempt to clean it up makes it worse. So, they're going to rely on the HRC 16 strategy of just yelling "Just shut the fuck up and vote, or we're going to get Hitler!"

Only: Now they're afraid to use the one trick this donkey seems to know anymore. The democrats got lazy, being able to use the threat of fascism as a fundraising and outreach tool. The problem is that we're talking about armed Americans here, and you convince the right ones that the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and, well... [Gestures]. So, now, the democrats have spent eight years telling us how Trump is Hitler (and make no mistake about it, he is a fascist) and building their platform around being the not fascists, and now that whole rug has gotten yanked out from under them because if they keep using that rhetoric, it's going to get someone killed. So, which is it? Trump is a serious threat of fascism and must be stopped to save the Republic, or it's not actually that bad and it's okay as long as Joe feels he tried his best?

Oh, and the assassination attempt gave Trump a couple of big Ws. First, that fucking picture. Show me a picture of Joe that's that cool that isn't just a meme; you can't. Second, instead of hustling away immediately, shit ass decided to have a moment of showmanship and pump his fist and yell "fight!" I hate that Donald is a good showman, but he is, and denying it won't change it.

So let's review, shall we?

Joe has: a really very just okay first time if you forgive the little genocide detail. And probably Parkinson's or sundowner's or something. He also has no real strategy left now that pointing out that the fascists are fascist leads to an unacceptable risk of political violence.

Trump has: a terrible awful first term that was a whole COVID ago, a badass picture, a badass moment, the ability to mostly kinda sorta speak in full sentences at a good volume, not bad reaction time tbh, and a bunch of newly sympathetic news coverage, donors, and people ready to join up with the fascists supporting him.

You might read all this and say "fuckin Trump supporter", and, I mean, good for you, I guess. I'm going to vote for Biden or whoever isn't Trump on November, but I'm also trying to be realistic about the situation we're in. The democrat establishment have bunglefucked the situation bad, and I have grave concerns about their ability to get their shit in gear by November. May they prove me wrong, I am not excited about Christian fascism.

[-] derpgon@programming.dev 114 points 1 month ago

I hate how people vote based on who has a cooler picture rather than their agenda.

I fucking hate politics.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 61 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

People didn't vote for Biden because they supported his agenda. He was the fifth least-popular candidate in 2020, barely ahead of "Mike" Bloomberg.

The DNC promised favors to the other candidates in exchange for dropping out and endorsing Biden, because in their minds it was better to have a brain-dead candidate than risk nominating a socialist.

And now fascism's here.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 24 points 1 month ago

Ok I get all that, like yeah we made all the wrong decisions as far as stopping fascism but have you considered wall street?

Why does no one care about the poor poor ultra wealthy wall street people!? Yeah sure we're about to see what happens when the world's largest military is run by Hitler #2, but at least Democrats protected wall street interests!

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[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago

At this point the US is just a failed state, doing failed state things, because it's a failed state. The writing's been on the wall for decades, but even though I expected the dictatorship within my lifetime since I was a teenager, I never expected it to be so god damned stupid. I expected it to be someone cunning and competent. Not a total fucking moron.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

I definitely didn't expect the oligarchy to go the useful idiot route either, but man, when you can elect an idiot as useful as Donald Trump, I figure they feel pretty well empowered.

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[-] Tom_Hanx_Hail_Satan@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 month ago

I've been thinking a lot about how the assassination attempt will effect Bidens chances at victory. I read one take that I agree with, the basic idea is that it won't effect polling data that much. That's with the belief that there are no real undecided voters in this election. The key issue is voter turnout per party. And the biggest effect is that this will cause Trump supporters to have high turnout rates. Biden will never do well in that enthusiasm gap, which is a major reason why it would have been best to stick to a single term, can't undue that though.

There is a unique opportunity at DNC. Assuming Trump will do nothing to "turn down the tempture" Biden can step down as the nominee, claiming his family convinced him to, fearing an assassination attempt. That will flip the entire narrative. There should be an open primary as well. 1 debate with x number of Dems, don't just nominate Harris, again, democrats need enthusiasm to have a high turnout. That debate will be a huge television event and it will be about the issues, Democrats will win, down ballot even, when they all say tax the rich over and over again.

That's just me writing a script for this shit. But at this point, fuck it, replace Biden with George Clooney. He's just as qualified as Trump was in 2016.

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[-] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 92 points 1 month ago

"senior Democrats" would rather Trump than a progressive. At least Trump is good for their stocks.

[-] jorp@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago

These fuckers insider trade and make money no matter which way the market goes. This isn't it, they just know that no matter who wins the rich will continue to run the country so it doesn't really matter to them. The only threat to the wealthy ruling class is the left (not liberals, the actual left)

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 14 points 1 month ago

There are several HUGE 'left' spaces on Lemmy.

None of them have any advice, none of them are 'leading the charge' of reforming the USA.

the only thing I've seen them bring to the table is an elevated nose, blind judgement based on delusion, and calls for more violence. Those aren't the traits of a movement I can support

[-] jorp@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Are there Liberal spaces on Lemmy where liberals accomplish anything? That shit happens in the real world dawg.

Organize in your local community like leftists in the real world do

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[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 15 points 1 month ago

I actually did try to run for a local election and have tried to organize unions before.

Neither went very well and for the local office position I actually tried to work with a "progressive" election fund who never wanted to talk politics but just money. Literally told me I was too poor to run and that my dollars would be better spent with them finding better candidates.

It's a sham not exactly possible to break through without a lot of luck and momentum. They have said age makes you more conservative but it seems to actually just be money and wealth and accumulation of things makes you so.

I think the reason you don't see more is the "left" is mostly just people poor and tired. The social left liberals above us just like to use our backing while supporting an easier to work with marginalized group that looks better and is easier than solving wealth inequality flavor of the month.

It's tiring you know?

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[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago

They (wrongly) think that they're too powerful to be harmed.

[-] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 13 points 1 month ago
[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

He is. They own the same stocks in the same companies.

Democrats like immigrants the same reason the Republicans do they just don't have to pretend to hate them for their base they are replacing the labor with. And will also accept cheap slaves if they can get them.

Democrats are even some of the largest receivers of donations from weapons manufacturers they just more carefully call it "Defense Funds".

Do not fail to see the upper party member apathy as anything other than acceptable oligarchy capitalism with anger that they will have to try harder on social pandering.

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[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 81 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"This kind of leadership is functionally useless to the American people."

It's been that way for a long time now. Frankly, I can't think of a single agenda the Democratic party has rallied behind in recent memory that isn't not being a Republican. The Democratic leadership is useless, that's just been better than the malicious alternative.

Edit: I'm getting responses referencing Biden policies or those that are advocated for by a few outspoken Dems. These are not what I'm referring to. The Democratic party as a whole has no message, no mission, no agenda seemingly other than "patch up the damage that the Republicans leave". No wonder Democratic voters aren't motivated, we're not being represented we're just voting to slow the inevitable decay.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago

School loan forgiveness? Universal healthcare?

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago

We don't have universal health care.

The school loan forgiveness was exceedingly niche, and since Biden could have forgiven all student loans unilaterally, I'm not willing to pretend it was a major achievement. The man just rearranged deck chairs on the Titanic.

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[-] kautau@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

Those are valiant causes, and I am a democrat. But did the party rally behind them? The GOP frequently votes unanimously to gut social spending, strengthen the military, etc, but I wish the democrats did the opposite, unanimously, and voted for every social good we should pass

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/01/senate-repeals-bidens-student-debt-relief-00099682

https://www.newsweek.com/two-democrats-vote-end-bidens-student-loan-cancellation-1803948

https://newrepublic.com/post/173165/three-senators-helped-republicans-block-bidens-student-loan-relief

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/medicare-for-all/

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[-] marzhall@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Most recent they passed the Inflation Reduction Act in '21, which gets me 30%* off my solar panels among a bunch of good moves for the country re: medication costs and the world re: global warming, and was voted against by every Republican.

Because of the level of polarization we have today, Republicans that vote with Dems worry about being primaried out of their seat, so the Republicans are against everything the Dems do anyway. It's impossible not to be defined by the phrase "not that guy" when "that guy" does the opposite of what you do on purpose.

Edit: bump from 20-> 30% Thanks Dempf!

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 60 points 1 month ago

They do realize that they would be the first to go in a fascist coup? The kind Trump's Project 2025 openly threatens? Right?

[-] sudo@programming.dev 47 points 1 month ago

In a full blown military coup they would but that's not the kind of coup Project 2025 threatens. They'll be one of the last to go. They'll constantly ask us to donate and vote while doing absolutely nothing to stop it. Controlled opposition.

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[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 59 points 1 month ago

Fucking vote

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 45 points 1 month ago

Almost as if they've spent decades not giving a single shit about the consolidation of power and march toward fascism and instead have dedicated all their energy snuffing out anything left of "mid right" on a neutral scale.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 month ago

if you sit at the table with fascists, and don't care whether or not they get to power, you are fascist too.

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 14 points 1 month ago

Democrats have always been fascist. Just look at their rhetoric about how "only they can save the country" (even though they've never done shit about shit even when they had a trifecta)

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The bipartisan war on drugs will not end with marijuana legalization

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[-] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As soon as I saw the picture, I felt like we were doomed. I'm still not voting for Trump, but that assassination attempt and the picture are, unfortunately, sometimes all that's needed to sway an American voter.

Like, he's a rapist, convicted felon, bad bsuines man, mentally unwell, fascist, and a general boob, but they'll look at that picture of him, fist up, blood on his ear, people trying to get him to get down, and then look at old man Joe and make their decision from there. If Biden truly cared about this country, he would step down. He's been vice president and now actual president, but his performance this round has been terrible and he needs to face the reality of that instead of pushing forward for the sake of his ego.

Edit: Just adding this since people think I'm saying all of Biden's presidency was poor. I talking about his debate/campaign performance.

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Joe Biden = maybe less energy to do MORE GOOD things (but actually a presidency isn't a single person, it's an administration full of good people that do important work, regardless of how Joe feels on a given day...

don trump = maybe more (adderall and coke-fueled SNIFF) energy, but only used to do MORE BAD things.

So much of this country is so surface and easily frightened.

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[-] cheers_queers@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

I'm not a Biden stan, but it's just ignorant to say he did nothing

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[-] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

They resigned themselves to a second Trump term when they decided to push forward an individual that couldn't carry a conversation 5 years ago. This isn't new.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

Decided to push him forward by listening to the majority of voters who cast their ballots for him in the primary?

[-] Sonicdemon86@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

The sitting president doesn't get a primary. It is a stupid tradition that needs to stop. Even a sitting president needs to be put up in a primary, yet neither side does that.

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[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 31 points 1 month ago

I remember that primary. We got like, what, ten primaries in before a bunch of people, some of whom were still competitive, just dropped out and gave all their delegates to Joe. I remember being flummoxed because Joe's performance in that debate was also really, really poor, and his performance in the primaries up until then had been pretty middling. So, I wouldn't agree that Joe won it as much as a bunch of candidates promised their delegates to him in exchange for cabinet positions.

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 34 points 1 month ago

I'm regretting not looking for an office to run for now, there needs to be a retire and replace move among the democrats.

We need less aisle reachers and more firebrands who'll nail the GOP to their heinous ideals like a roman centurion handling a thief's sentencing and pile the shame on them relentlessly, I don't want to see this spineless shit, I wanna see someone having to debate across from Margie Infidelitress back her far enough into a corner for her to start having a crying panic attack, and then when the parliamentarian calls for decorum threaten to come up there and put the gavel up their ass sideways if they dare interrupt the much needed dressing down again before it's finished.

I wanna see someone pay their staff bounties for graffitying the doors of election deniers for being the traitors they are.

I want to see someone begin carrying an obvious vanity cain around and brandish it at any Republican who tries to nut up like they deserve to do anything but be afraid of what'll happen if they dare forget their shame again.

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[-] TheAlbatross 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Is it gonna be all politics tweets going forward?

Aren't there better places to be posting this kinda thing? Aren't there enough communities that are exclusively political? Can't this one just be fun?

The past 4 posts are all political tweets and a user made poll asking if the mods should ban political content. I think it was actually the past 5 posts, but one was deleted.

[-] blaine@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When we say "politicians who don't give a shit about you", does that include 80+ year old men who are willing to throw our democracy away as long as they do their "goodest job"? All because they are addicted to power and can't imagine a world where someone is more electable than they are, despite overwhelming statistical evidence to the contrary?

And when we say "career politicians", does that include people that were elected to the Senate 60 years ago when they were in their 20s?

It's #Joever. Time to accept it and move on. Bending over backwards to defend him doesn't make you a hero, it makes you a useful idiot.

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