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[-] jonne@infosec.pub 146 points 3 months ago

Look at what you get when you try to appease Republicans by appointing a federalist society judge to be AG in exchange for 0 Republican votes.

[-] Vorticity@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

Wait, Garland is Federalist Society? That explains so much!

[-] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 42 points 3 months ago

He is not. If he were, why would the republicans have stonewalled his nomination for Supreme Court Justice? It doesn't make sense.

He has participated in some events, like debates, with the federalist society, but he is not a member.

Do all the research in the world and you will not find any connection there.

[-] 242@lemmy.cafe 35 points 3 months ago

They stonewalled him because they were determined to block anyone Obama nominated. He put up a milquetoast right leaning centrist as an act of conciliation. They didn't give a shit. They would have blocked anyone Obama nominated.

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The GOP have stonewalled bills THEY WROTE once they realized Democrats wanted to pass it. They obstructed a border bill beyond their wildest dreams because it was under Biden. That question isn't really a mystery.

[-] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

This isn't a bill and this wasn't 2024. Mitch McConnell was responsible for stonewalling Garland's appointment to the supreme court. Trump was responsible for killing the bill. Trump is an idiot, McConnell is just evil. They don't play the same way at all. They almost certainly would have passed that legislation if Trump hadn't interfered.

It was a lifetime appointment to the most powerful position in the country, assuming you have a like-minded majority. If he were a federalist, it would have been a gift to them on a silver platter.

We're dealing with counterfactuals here, but attributing their increasingly irrational behavior today to all their actions in the past is a terrible way to interpret history.

[-] Vorticity@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Thanks. I guess is was being a little credulous when I read that.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No you weren't, their argument is specious at best.

why would the republicans have stonewalled his nomination for Supreme Court Justice? It doesn't make sense.

Republicans blocked their own bills, and bills they dropped over because the Democrats supported it.

Republicans have no morals, ethics or values outside of power, so assuming they wouldn't vote against the exact shit they want out of spite just means you're not paying attention enough.

E: the federalist part is correct tho, he's not one of them afaik.

[-] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

You’re applying the behavior of Republicans under Trump in 2024 to their behavior in 2016 under Mitch McConnell, which is not a fair way to interpret history.

The Republicans’ primary goal has always been to consolidate power, a strategy evident even before Trump’s influence. This was evident in 2016 when McConnell blocked Merrick Garland’s appointment. It wasn’t just about denying Obama a win; it was about maintaining control over the Supreme Court. By holding the position open, they ensured a conservative majority with Gorsuch’s appointment in 2017.

While their actions under Trump have often seemed erratic and without principle, the decision to block Garland was a calculated, strategic move rooted in the same pursuit of power. Viewing their behavior solely through the lens of recent events, like the border bill, ignores the broader, consistent strategy they have employed over the years.

The move to block Garland was a clear demonstration of their long-term strategy to secure judicial power, not an isolated act of obstructionism. This context is crucial for understanding the continuity in their approach to power, rather than seeing it as a sudden shift in behavior.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

They behaved in very similar ways back then too, remember when McConnell himself filibustered his own bill once Democrats supported it back on 2015?

It's a decade+ long pattern of behavior, they've only gotten worse about it and stopped trying to hide the shit they've been doing already.

[-] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Except that it’s not true

[-] Vorticity@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Thanks. I guess is was being a little credulous when I read that.

[-] Drusas@kbin.run 95 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm increasingly convinced that the corporate/authoritarian movement in the US will not be overcome until heads literally roll. I'm not endorsing this. But I don't see another way forward when we have elites who are immune from any sort of ethics guidelines or having to meet the needs of constituencies.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 46 points 3 months ago

No worries, I'll endorse it

[-] whostosay@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

lol, I think this should happen but I won't endorse it. Why the fuck do you think this keeps going? Second and hopefully 400millionth endorsement.

[-] nolannice@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Yeah I like rolling coal, rolling coal barons' heads!

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Violence isn't the answer.

It is a question and the answer is: yes.

[-] MantisTobogganMD@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

run the jewels is the answer. the q is what’s poppin?

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 months ago

Look through history and tell me the last time anything else has defeated fascism. The event horizon is behind us.

[-] b161 10 points 3 months ago

Fascism is an ideology of violence and genocide. It only understands violence.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

That's why we're making presidents kings now. Gotta work up to that french-style revolution

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 65 points 3 months ago

I think everyone has sufficient evidence to arrest Clarence Thomas. I’m not even a lawyer and I think I could get a conviction on tax fraud for the tour bus loan that got forgiven.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 60 points 3 months ago

Overall, despite a handful of good calls, Garland has been a catastrophically huge disappointment in the scope of trying to shore up our defenses against fascism. In fact, I’d go so far as to say that his nomination to AG is amongst one of Biden’s worst appointment decisions.

[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I would agree. Biden has had some really solid appointments overall (Love me some Lina Khan), but Garland has just not gotten the job done.

[-] queue 53 points 3 months ago

Even when they can go for the removal of fascist enablers through legal means they refuse to. God damn it.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 46 points 3 months ago

Garland is the weak-ass supreme court pick that was a result of "reaching across the aisle". I'm not sure why he was given the AG role, but democrats should pick people actually willing to fight for us. Democrats positioned themselves as "the only thing stopping fascism" but they don't even try.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 13 points 3 months ago

Democrats positioned themselves as “the only thing stopping fascism” but they don’t even try.

You can't keep the greed game going if you're on the sidelines. Gotta keep us voting for these inept dumbasses or they won't be able to enrich themselves!

I hate how we have 2 choices:

100% farm to table fascism

or

80% Corpo stooge 15% inept stooge 5% actually gives a shit about people.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

5% actually gives a shit about people

We have to balance the budget! There's simply no money left for giving a shit about people.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Democrats positioned themselves as “the only thing stopping fascism” but they don’t even try.

They seem to be there just to have the sand kicked into their face first.

[-] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I like about 80-90% of what Biden’s done. But he and his generation of Dems don’t put as high a priority as they should n fighting to improve the lives of us little people. Should we avoid a fascist dictatorship and Biden gets 4 more years, replacing Garland has to be a top priority

[-] 5in1k@lemm.ee 44 points 3 months ago

So the republicans are so criminal we can’t investigate them because of optics. I hate the government. Top to bottom.

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If optics and mob threats are why you cant investigate corruption then in a very real sense right wing terrorism is working on the government.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

We don't negotiate with terrorists; we preemptively capitulate.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

If money is speech, it becomes the ONLY speech.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 months ago

Dear lord, what does he have to lose?

[-] frunch@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

How could ever look himself in the mirror if he helped the American people?

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 months ago

Garland is trash. Sat on his hands for over 2 years before being forced into prosecuting Trump, but too little too late and now nothing will come of it. Again has a chance to restore some justice in this nation by taking on the obviously corrupt Supreme Court, and again chooses to do nothing.

Biden could replace him, but for some reason keeps calling him John Mitchell and then just trails off staring at the floor…

[-] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Garland deserves to be remembered as someone who could have saved rule of law, but didn’t have the courage to do so. People should spit should they ever be forced to utter the craven coward’s name.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Remember, according to the RW, something something deep state radical leftist tyranny of Merrick Garland, etc...

[-] EvilEyedPanda@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Croupt officials gotta stick together! ❤️

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