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submitted 4 months ago by MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca to c/canada@lemmy.ca

Remember that these are the guys who said that they were preparing to fight UN and/or Chinese troops who might invade Canada?

Now their lawyer says that they were used for hunting? Was she taking about the pipe bomb or the handguns?

I don't see a single trigger or cable lock in that photo. Was the ammunition stored in a separate locked container?

These guys should never be allowed to own a firearm again based solely on the UN/China delusion. These types of violent collective fantasies are extremely dangerous and they absolutely should be disqualifying.

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[-] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 24 points 4 months ago

All guns seized from this blockade were also being used to disrupt international trade.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

Who doesn't wear plate armor to hunt small game?

[-] veeesix@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 months ago

You never know when those weaselly wabbits are gonna fire back.

[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 5 points 4 months ago

I legitimately do because of other hunters.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I wouldn't give much credit to kevlar vs. a hunting round like a .300WSM.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago
[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I know I do.

[-] Somethingcheezie@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago
[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

He shot a guy in the face...

What would a vest have done?

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago
[-] pubquiz@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

I'd call 4 of 15 weapons displayed as some, not many. What dickfuckery is this?

But sure, next election, vote for the guy who supported and continues to endorse these neo-nazi pukes. Yeah, vote for the career politician who has never had a real job, never done his own taxes, never experienced need or hunger. He's your guy, he understands you. He knows you're a stooge who'll swallow his bullshit.

Then, when he comes after YOU, I won't say a word 'cause he'll have already silenced me.

[-] Somethingcheezie@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

What choices do we have. That’s the problem

[-] nyan@lemmy.cafe 11 points 4 months ago

What the guns might have been used for prior to the blockade, or when not present at the blockade, is not relevant. You can commit murder just as easily with a hunting rifle as with a handgun. It's just more difficult to carry the rifle concealed.

[-] CanadianCorhen@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

Exactly. These could have been hunting rifles, and used for hunting 100 times. Take them to a blockade and they become weapons.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Hunting rifles are much, much easier to commit murder from afar with. They're high powered, they're scoped, and they're made to kill animals much larger than a person. That doesn't mean they should be banned. I can kill someone with a pencil too, but they'll still let me bring one into the courthouse.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

And yet mass murders and military and murder fetishists prefer military style weapons. Why is that? Why do those types choose guns based on how they look instead of how they work?

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Those are better for up close and personal. It also requires less training and practice.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

Which is why the government is banning then.

[-] PyroNeurosis 9 points 4 months ago

Hunting with a Kriss Vector is... a choice.

[-] Dud@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

This whole table just looks like the Modern Warfare 2 load out selection.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

It does make one wonder why, when the police lay out the range of firearms that a bunch of Gravy Seal terrorists bring to the beginning of their war against the government, it is never a table of Smith and Wesson oak stocked hunting rifles. It's because they watch too many movies made in the US and play too many shoot-em-up video games and want to play soldier. THAT is the reason that this type of firearm is being banned. It's not because of how they look but because of the type of people who want to own them and why they want to own them. I have absolutely zero concern that the government is ever going to come for my guns because I didn't buy them to feed into my part of the collective murder fantasies of the anti-government nutjobs.

[-] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago

Why am I not surprised that these terrible people could only obtain counsel from an equally terrible attorney?

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I know that there are more absurdities that prove your point. However, a handgun can be a great addition to hunting

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago
[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

That is a good point I was not aware of. Sorry about that

[-] Acemod@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

They are restricted, not illegal.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

In Canada it is only legal to hunt with non-restricted firearms. It is illegal to hunt with handguns.

[-] akakunai@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

Ok, ignoring the fact that handguns are illegal in Canada...how is a handgun a great addition to hunting? Not being sarcastic, genuinely curious.

[-] Nogami@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Handguns are not illegal in Canada. I’ve got 3 all properly licensed and stored in a safe.

You can’t use them for hunting, but that’s not what you said.

Trappers and other wilderness types can apply for a license to carry them for self defence from predators while in the wild from what I recall, but you need to actually get the license not just decide to tote it around, which is very much how it should be.

I own firearms but appreciate the Canadian training and regulations. The way it should be, at least before liberal fuckery with gun legislation to get cheap votes and not actually fix the problem.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

Trappers and other wilderness types can apply for a license to carry them for self defence from predators while in the wild from what I recall, but you need to actually get the license not just decide to tote it around, which is very much how it should be.

Not just any wilderness type.

You must also:

  • be a licensed professional trapper or
  • need protection from wild animals while working at your lawful occupation, most often in a remote wilderness location
[-] Nogami@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Ya. Basically what I said.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

You said, "wilderness types" which suggests that anyone who is in the wilderness can get an ATC. That is absolutely untrue. Your being in the wilderness must be a requirement of your job for you to even apply for an ATC.

[-] Nogami@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Firearms “experts” are always so “helpful”.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm not an expert but I can Google and I can read and it's important to be accurate when you're taking about firearms. Stop moaning and move on.

[-] Nogami@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Got it. Not expert. Thanks.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

Not an expert but I did a quick Google search, read the actual rules, and called out your misinformation. Stop moaning and move on.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

It does say hunting/defense. Some of those are self-defense weapons, and some are hunting weapons. It's not difficult to see which is which.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

If you think you need a gun for self-defense in Canada you shouldn't have a gun. You're more likely to choke to death on a hotdog, to drown in your own bathtub, to die from entanglement in your own bedsheets, from being stung by a bee, or by being trampled by a cow than you are to be killed with a gun by someone you don't know if you're not involved in the drug trade or organized crime. In fact, you're FAR more likely to be killed by or to kill someone you love if you have a gun than you are to be killed by a stranger.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

In fact, you're FAR more likely to be killed by or to kill someone you love if you have a gun than you are to be killed by a stranger.

I'm pretty sure that's the case everywhere that has guns. Statistically, there's way more occurrences where there's a potential for death with people you're around all the time. Plus, there are a lot of boneheaded people in the world.

But to your original point, a burglar, or intruder, or stalker, or whatever, doesn't need to have a gun to make it a good idea for you to have a gun. Why would you want to meet someone who's invading your house on equal footing? The idea is to have overwhelming odds on your side so that you can come out of the situation unscathed. Nobody's going to see an intruder with a knife and go "oops, he only has a knife, so I better put my baseball bat down and grab my pocket knife!". That's just silly movie machismo stuff. You want as much advantage as you can get.

It's highly unlikely that most people will ever encounter any scenario like that. That's true. But that doesn't make it a bad idea to be prepared. As unlikely as it is, I know someone who suffered a home invasion in her 2nd floor apartment in a gated community, in the nice part of town. The burglars climbed her balcony, and threw her BBQ through the sliding glass door while she was sitting on the couch. Then they forced her onto the ground and made her sit cross-legged with her face between her knees while they stole everything of value that she owned. Would a gun have helped her? Maybe not. Idk. But the point of owning a gun for self defense, or home defense, or whatever, is to be prepared for the times when it would help you. Not everyone who owns a gun is a crazy gun person who makes it their whole identity. Some people just want to be prepared, and some people just enjoy the sport of marksmanship.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It’s highly unlikely that most people will ever encounter any scenario like that. That’s true. But that doesn’t make it a bad idea to be prepared.

It is an EXTREMELY bad idea. The chances that you're going to kill someone you love goes up dramatically when you have a gun in your home. You're not making yourself and your family safer you're making it FAR more likely that they will be a victim of gun violence.

Do you grind up your hotdogs so that you won't choke on them? Do you wear a life jacket in the bathtub? Have you stripped your bed of bedsheets? Do you wear a bee suit when you go outside? It's highly unlikely that any of those things are going to happen to you, too.

This is a riduclous argument. Literally worthy of ridicule.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

If these were seized from vehicles, neither of those considerations are relevant. You don't need a firearm lock or locked ammo box in a vehicle. The firearm just can't be loaded when in the vehicle.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

What are the rules for the handgun and pipe bomb?

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