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[-] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 237 points 4 months ago

Who'da thunk, battery life sells battery powered devices.

[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 114 points 4 months ago

So let's keep making phones thinner and thinner while simultaneously growing the camera bump instead of making a flat profile with, say, 2 days of life!

[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 24 points 4 months ago

So on one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I think lightness is a thing people care about. I recently needed to get some photos backed up off an old phone of mine, and I didn’t realize how heavy my current one is until I picked up my old one. Thinness is irrelevant, but a 50% weight difference is not. Other than that, I don’t think most people get much utility out of more than a day of battery life, so 1.5 days new degrading down to 1 seems reasonable and in line with what most people want.

[-] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 10 points 4 months ago

Ask them about the lack of a headphone jack 😉.

[-] localme@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

Totally agree! I picked up an old iPhone 6s yesterday and I just couldn’t believe how much lighter and thinner it is than the latest models.

[-] dgriffith@aussie.zone 4 points 4 months ago

I have a Samsung A71. It permanently lives in its protective case which gives it good bumpers around the easily-breakable edge-to-edge screen. It's now 4 years old and has survived numerous tumbles and drops over the years.

Occasionally I have to swap the SD card in it and I am always astonished at how thin and light and fragile it is when not in the case.

I would quite happily have an actual similar size phone to what "I have now" if the battery size was bumped up another 50 percent.

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[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago

Exactly. I really liked my old phone, the Moto G Power, which:

  • had no camera bump
  • had 2+ days battery life
  • was pretty affordable (I think it was $250 new?)

I still have it for stuff around the house (gets like 3-4 days w/o the SIM), and I would totally still be using it as my main phone if it still got security updates. The screen is a little larger than I want, but it has been a solid phone for me.

I got a Pixel 8 mostly because of the longer software support and GrapheneOS support, and I honestly don't care about the camera, and the big bump is pretty annoying. I really wish I could just have my Moto G Power w/ a small screen and longer software support. In fact, I'd totally use a Pinephone if it had reliable calls and texts, better battery life, and better audio quality. I really don't need much, I just need a phone that will keep working for years and not need to be recharged throughout the day...

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[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

My phone has a 22000mAh battery. I never consider charging it unless I'm going to the woods overnight, and then only to be sure I have a power bank.

[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

What phone has a 22000 mAh battery?

[-] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago
[-] Zoot@reddthat.com 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So this thing looks absolutely amazing, but still sports a 19oz size(560g). For reference, my phone is only 7oz (201g). The steam deck (roughly 22oz), which i regularly hold with two hands, can start to cause pain in the wrists.

I'm sure the kind of person to buy this phone isn't holding it for numerous hours, but thats still A) a lot of weight to lug around B) I'd imagine it will begin to strain the wrists quickly. Maybe that's a pro though...

Edit: Mind didn't complete my thought, added words.

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[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

It's 6.8", that's called a tablet or phablet at that point. Change my mind.

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[-] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 4 points 4 months ago

Ah but if our batteries last longer people won't have to buy phones as often, someone think or the shareholders

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 108 points 4 months ago

Copilot+ is a reason not to buy one of those laptops. It’s a privacy and security nightmare.

[-] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Pretending it's not locked down like the og surface arm devices, I'd consider getting one and totally drop some flavour of linux on it, 3:2 is a great aspect ratio for laptops.

Otherwise yeah, I wouldn't go anywhere near it

Edit: apparently I don't need to pretend, this hasn't been an issue for a while so that's actually great

[-] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It is not bootloader locked, Linux support is WIP

EDIT: Source here https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/1dnu5nw/comment/ladiom2/?context=3

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[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 9 points 4 months ago

Is it that different than standard Windows? Either way I'm just hyped that it seems the age of ARM desktops is upon us, I definitely won't be using any "Copilot+" branded OS though.

[-] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

the age of ARM desktops is upon us

I remain unconvinced that this is some big paradigm shift, and that the instruction set itself is mostly irrelevant for battery life and performance per watt.

Yes, Apple achieved a big jump with its first M1 at delivering some pretty amazing performance per watt, compared to contemporary chips from Intel.

But a closer look has shown that each successive generation of M-series Apple Silicon has been chasing higher performance at the cost of energy efficiency. Which is fine, but shrinks the gap.

And then, if you look at AMD's low power x86_64 CPUs for laptops, you'll see that they're also able to deliver significant power savings compared to Intel. Comparing like for like, in terms of TSMC node, you see that AMD performance per watt seems to be in line with Apple's. It's just that Apple's comparative advantage in business/legal strategy (not engineering) has them locking up TSMC capacity earlier.

Finally, a comparison of Apple's mobile ARM SoCs to other manufacturers' mobile ARM SoCs (including Qualcomm and Samsung) shows that Apple has a significant performance/efficiency lead over even other ARM chips.

So it's probably not the instruction set. It's just the engineering of the chips themselves, boosted by Apple's business/logistics strategies getting their products to market first.

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I’m not following this story closely but my understanding is that Copilot+ ones have a magical special chip (and keyboard button) and they take screenshots every few seconds so you can search your history. But, at least in the beta releases, they didn’t bother to mask passwords or really anything. You could have a private key in a screenshot.

I would hope by the final release, they add the bare minimum of security and encrypt it all but that’s not really good enough. It’s a misguided attempt to shoehorn Copilot into everything when A.I. can’t even wipe its own ass yet. Maybe someday. Probably not, though.

It’s clearly a gimmick and not an improvement. Press the “copilot button” and get help! But the copilot button isn’t a new button. It’s actually left-Shift + Windows key + F23. Modern computers don’t have F23 key but you can simulate it. I sure hope no hackers learn how to do that and search your entire history!

[-] Interstellar_1 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What you are thinking of is Recall, which is a selling point of Copilot+ PCs. As a correction, recall is opt-in, password protected and encrypted in the latest versions. Hitting the Copilot key will launch Copilot, which is a GPT4 AI assistant with image capabilities. Copilot+ itself just means the pc has

at least 16GB of RAM, 256GB of storage and an NPU (Neural Processing Unit) capable of at least 40 TOPS (trillion operations per second) onboard.

Tom's Guide

As well as the copilot key on laptops.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Opt-in is an improvement, but Microsoft does have a history of making nominally opt-in features practically very difficult to avoid.

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[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

Linux support should be here soon

[-] pycorax@lemmy.world 100 points 4 months ago

Is this really a surprise to anyone outside of the AI hype machine?

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 53 points 4 months ago

I turn everything that mentions Copilot off. I don't need this crap and I never asked for it to be made.

[-] Ashe 7 points 4 months ago

My company hired an AI person and I was sure to tell him I stripped the registry values from my computer. I'm an admin sooo

[-] maxinstuff@lemmy.world 45 points 4 months ago

Linux support also appears to be coming along nicely (though not ready yet).

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

Linux support also appears to be coming along nicely (though not ready yet).

Linux, as in kernel: Yes. Qualcomm doesn't develop FOSS GPU drivers, though. freedreno only supports older Adreno GPUs.

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[-] thequickben@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

It is ready. I only used to dual boot Linux, but I switched completely over 6 months ago with zero issues.

[-] Nanabaz2@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago

I think he mean on these new, modern ARM laptop. None has actually work well so far. This newer Qualcomm chips are those that they themselves put the effort in. Rest were few far and between - garbage from Qualcomm and rest is from community.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

I switched completely over 6 months ago

There were no Copilot+ PCs 6 months ago. Stop lying.

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[-] Tronn4@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago

I spent a good 20 minutes trying to remove copilot from my windows 10 machine last night. It embedded itself into the taskbar, the edge explorer, and I finally had to go into system components to disable it. No doubt there will be another ms update that will revert all these settings again

[-] knightly@pawb.social 18 points 4 months ago

At some point you have to ask yourself if it would be less hassle to switch now or to try and tough it out until Windows becomes unbearable.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

Windows is already pretty unbearable.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I spent a good 20 minutes trying to remove copilot from my windows 10 machine last night.

On Windows 11 you can just uninstall it. I did. Win10 is old and about to be unsupported.

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

On Windows 11 at least, the taskbar button toggle is in the taskbar settings, the second place you'd expect to find it (the first being the right-click menu on the button itself, though there isn't one). I'm not aware of anything called Edge Explorer, but it looks easy enough to disable in Edge, and I've never seen it in Explorer.

[-] EnderWiggin@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

I feel like narrow AI tools duped me for a while, but the more I started to really use Chat GPT professionally, the more I've likened it to professional mimicking software. It essentially works to pyt out responses that sound the most convincing but have nothing to do with putting out responses that are actually at all accurate. These are terrible tools outside of asking basic questions, idea generation, and generally summarizing existing information you feed into it. I use it to help me make lists and better phrase emails and company messages at this point and nothing that actually requires any actual fact finding.

[-] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Professional bullshit artists, in the sense of the technical definition given by Harry Frankfurt in his influential book:

Frankfurt determines that bullshit is speech intended to persuade without regard for truth. The liar cares about the truth and attempts to hide it; the bullshitter doesn't care whether what they say is true or false.

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[-] gh0stcassette 8 points 4 months ago

It's a good troubleshooting tool. Pasting in weird error messages that don't turn up any useful search results is pretty useful, even if the response it gives is partially inaccurate, it usually at least gives a bit more information than a search engine, which gives me more context to narrow my search terms and find a solution to the error.

It's especially useful for learning Nix, since the online documentation is a bit shit and ChatGPT seems to have enough grasp on the Nix language and how to configure things in NixOS to tell me what I'm doing wrong.

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[-] skooma_king@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago

I have actually come to prefer using AI instead of a search engine at work for most things sysadmin related (using DuckDuckGo’s AI chat feature), but I 100% have found that Copilot performs far worse than competing products. Having it that engrained in the computer is a very negative feature, despite the battery improvements.

[-] TechNerdWizard42@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Copilot sucks. Gemeni is a sassy teenager. Chatgpt 4o is actually halfway decent. When they announced Gemeni had a million context tokens, that was awesome. But it can't give coherent output to save its life. Useless.

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The Copilot in Windows and in Bing is quite bad, but the Github Copilot seems better. If you know of a clearly better one for programming I'm interested in trying things out.

[-] atocci@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I got the Surface Pro X a few years ago purely for battery life, performance be damned. Great decision, and it fit my use-case perfectly. Maybe a little too perfectly for Qualcomm, because I have no reason to upgrade to something more performant when all I cared about was the battery life.

Edit: This recent push towards Windows on ARM is also benefiting these old WOA devices. Programs that would barely run before (because they were compiled for x86 and had to be emulated on a chip that could hardly handle all that extra overhead) are now getting native ARM version releases that run way better. In my experience, my Pro X's performance has effectively been improving as time goes on, so I have even less of a reason to get anything new.

[-] bitwolf@lemmy.one 8 points 3 months ago

That tracks, AI is somehow twice as annoying as nfts and I've been dying for a decent ARM / RISC-V Linux laptop.

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