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[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 73 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Here's the part I like: Biden said "if they’re serious they ought to 'announce for president, challenge me at the convention' or rally behind him against Trump".

He's got a point. I thought the debate was a massive fuck-up, but deciding who to replace him with and then mounting a viable attempt at the replacement with that person makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than just leaning into GOP talking points about how Biden's fuckups, however bad, are definitely worse than Trump's objectively much worse fuckups.

Replace Biden? Sure, let's get fuckin busy, find a good replacement, and if doesn't work, get behind Biden or whoever the nominee is. I still think Jon Stewart is the way to do it, but that is probably a non starter of an idea. Kamala Harris is the highest polling option and realistic. Be aware that everyone who was super panicked about Biden's unsuitability will instantly pivot to panicking with concern-trolling about Kamala's unsuitability, and if you fall for it right away again and start trying to replace her, I will not have a lot of respect for you or your intelligence or pattern recognition abilities.

Keep Biden? Sure, that sounds good too. Let's get fuckin busy, and start rallying people to help him beat the end of the world in November.

Keep running in circles flapping our hands in the air about how something must be done because we're definitely going to lose in November, without offering any good alternate strategy or way to get it done? That is the option that seems unlikely to cause anything good to happen. It is, however, what a lot of the Republican aligned media seems very very committed to encouraging the Democrats to do, and for some mentally challenged reason it seems like it's winning over quite a lot of them.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago

Jon Stewart has said multiple times that he feels he can do more good outside of the political system doing what he does, than inside it being stymied at every turn.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 19 points 4 months ago

He's definitely not going to be able to do much good if Trump get elected, and he along with everyone else in the media who's left of Charlie Kirk gets brought up on charges of lèse-majesté.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Jon knows how much work it took just to get help for 9/11 first responders. Getting anything else done would probably kill him.

[-] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 months ago

As much as I like John Stewart, I think one of the big issues with Trump was that he and his administration were totally unqualified for their jobs. Let's not stoop to their level and put up someone who has never held public office.

[-] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

If we managed to get through a Trump term, with him being actively malicious and looking to do as much damage as possible, it proves exactly the fucking opposite.

Good intentions and a willingness to listen to knowledgeable advisors (but not simply follow them, genuinely listening to their explanations and then making a decision) is enough to be a good president.

Qualifications, like with most jobs that require all sorts of degrees and high requirements, are bullshit.

[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 60 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Don’t talk too loudly about Democrats increasing funding for cops, it helps Trump!

Don’t talk too loudly about Biden bankrolling a genocide, it helps Trump!

Don’t talk too loudly about the man y’all say will protect us from Trump being too incapacitated to protect us from Trump, it helps Trump!

It is crazy to try to paint this as drama when you bring up any issues before things get bad, folks will just shout you down anyway. I've seen many liberals say they would vote for Biden's corpse, so what difference does it make if it is someone else with (D) next to their name? You might as well go down swinging than on your knees.

[-] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 54 points 4 months ago

Biden is just another arrogant, out of touch, privileged elite with no understanding of what the majority of Americans experience day to day.

His hubris was on full display in Friday's interview, the stakes are clearly not the same for him. He has enough wealth and power to weather this fascist storm, unfortunately most of us do not.

[-] dirthawker0@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

If Trump gets elected, I'm pretty sure Biden's going to get a kangaroo court trial on some garbage charge and be sent to prison.

[-] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Worst case scenario Biden has the resources/connections to evacuate to somewhere safe and luxurious. The rest of us are stuck dealing with christofascist militias. The wealthy will continue living in opulence.

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[-] hypnoton@discuss.online 8 points 4 months ago

The Democratic Party cannot fail us.

It is only us who can fail the Democratic Party.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Don’t talk too loudly about Democrats increasing funding for cops, it helps Trump!

Don’t talk too loudly about Biden bankrolling a genocide, it helps Trump!

That's because most Americans like both Israel and cops. The ones who don't lack the numbers to be worth courting.

And, yes, it does suck to be stuck in a country with people like that, especially when they refuse to listen to reason and hold all the cards.

Welcome to America.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago

“We have 42 days to the Democratic Convention and 119 days to the general election,” Biden said in the letter

Sounds like we got 42 more days to name a candidate...

Why the fuck are we pretending this is only Biden's decision though?

The DNC can nominate anyone they want, and Biden already said he doesn't care if trump wins.

So why does Biden get to insist he's the candidate? Especially when every metric and data point we have, shows Biden won't be able to pull it off?

This election is more important than an 81 year olds personal beliefs and if "Lord God" has told him to drop out or not

Pushing forward with Joe is damn near suicidal at this point.

[-] rigatti@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Biden said he doesn't care if Trump wins? What?

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

Yep.

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/06/biden-abc-interview-trump-election-peace

The article has the clip.

As long as he does the "goodest" job he can, he's fine with trump winning.

If you haven't watched the full interview yet. You really need to

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 5 points 4 months ago

to be completely fair, it is possible meant "as good of a job as he can", but this is the kind of mumbling that's become standard for him

the bar is just so fucking low, I can't believe we're even having to discuss it.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

The issue isn't how he phrased it.

The issue is he doesn't really care if he loses.

That's not enough when we're fighting a fascist take over of our country...

[-] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Genuinely curious how you're surprised by this

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[-] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment, but technically it is entirely up to Biden, and no one else. The DNC can’t just nominate whoever they want, there was a primary to determine the nominee. Most delegates that will vote for him at the convention, must vote for him. They’re required by state law to vote with the primary’s popular vote. The only way for that to change is for Biden to decide to step aside. Then the delegates would be free to vote however they wanted.

It’s a messed up and broken system that is hard to call democratic, but internal party politics rarely are. He needs to be the bigger person and step aside. It’s pure hubris at this point for him to think he’s the only human being in a country of 300 million who could beat Trump.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

The DNC can’t just nominate whoever they want, there was a primary to determine the nominee.

That's not what the DNCs lawyers argued to a judge less than a decade ago...

You're assuming the DNC can't just change their own rules first. Which is what the DNC is currently acting like.

It's not true though. They change their own rules all the time.

[-] hypnoton@discuss.online 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You're assuming the DNC can't just change their own rules first.

The DNC is a private corporation. Corporations are people too, friend.

Everything you said checks out, sir.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

What the DNC lawyers say and what the general public will allow are two different things.

If Joe doesn't volunteer to step down, and it looks like he won't here's what will happen:

  1. Joe runs and loses.

  2. DNC removes Joe for Kamala and she loses because everyone hates her.

  3. DNC forces both Joe and Kamala out and they lose because the voters had no say in the process.

Really, the only way out here is for Joe to die and get replaced by Kamala who then gets the sympathy vote.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah, but polls show voters want to replace him...

If the DNC replaced him, that's what voters want.

Kamala and she loses because everyone hates her.

I'm linking this too much probably.

But this podcast changed my mind about her. Still think she'll be a bad president. But trump is probably the only candidate she can beat, even with the 29% approval rating. After this video I think she can beat trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jic_uL3-q4

If you're worried Kamala can't beat Trump, watching the first half of that will make you feel a lot better about her.

Because honestly, I can't imagine the DNC let's anyone else takeover.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

The polls don't know what they want and your average voter is a moron. If they asked them "Well, what should we do?" most likely the answer would be "Well, re-run the primary!" not realizing it takes 6 months to run a primary in 50 states+DC.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

The polls don’t know what they want and your average voter is a moron.

So you think voters will do a 180 and now be upset Biden is replaced when they've been calling for him to be replaced?

I don't understand.

There's been no waffling in the polls, even in 2020 voters thought Biden's age was a significant issue.

They still do, but they used to too.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I do, because they will have had no say in who replaces him.

The same way the DNC forced Hillary on everyone in 2016.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

because they will have had no say in who replaces him.

I agree with that

But I think Biden and Hillary are the only two who can lose to trump.

I think if it's not Biden it's Kamala. If you still don't think she can win, check out that podcast I linked you. I know podcasts suck, but it's really fucking good and logically spells out how despite how bad Kamala is, she can still beat Trump. And like we've said, they agree she's pretty much the only one the DNC would nominate

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[-] TTH4P@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

The DNC can nominate whoever, but one point of contention will be the millions in individual donations for Biden-Harris...

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Millions sound like a lot...

But it was projected to cost 2 billion for Biden to beat Trump this election.

But the bulk of Biden's money is in the BVF, something that the DNC has access to as well. Lots of people confuse that with Biden's money only.

The majority of the money isn't just controlled by Biden's campaign.

I'd like to think he'd hand it over to the new candidate, but even if he doesn't. Dark money won't start flowing for another month or so that's when it's too late to track down before the election.

Did you hear about it last election?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-64-million-mystery-anonymous-donations-2024-presidential-campaign/

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[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

All I've seen is people telling him to step down. I haven't seen a concrete solution for what happens if he does. That's why all of this dick waving is doing nothing but hurting his chances. All you "Dems" are just regurgitating conservative talking points and doing their propaganda for them. Instead of talking about how he stumbled, talk about how Trump did nothing but lie, rape, and is a convicted felon. His showing was far worse than Biden, yet here his side is attacking him and ignoring Trump. The option to switch candidates is long gone. It's fine to be critical of Biden, but if all you are is critical, then you are actively hurting his chances of reelection.

It's mind numbing how many of you are just out there actively attacking the guy that will be the candidate in November, whether you like it or not. Reality sucks sometimes, and you get stuck with a giant douche and a turd sandwich, but that's just how it is. An awful lot of faces for leopards out there.

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 months ago

Because there isn't one. Everyone asking him to step down with no clear alternative is either stupid or acting in bad faith. The longer this BS goes on the more likely it is to turn off undecided voters regardless of the replacement.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

I'll still be voting for Biden even if he's preserved as a head in a jar this fall. However, I wish it were not so, and I think far too many normies and the generally clueless (and pouty purity pony lefty dumbasses) are going to stay home, lodge a stupid "protest vote", or vote outright for donnie if it's Biden as the Democratic option.

Bleh.

[-] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Can't wait for a repeat of 2016. Thanks Biden.

[-] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 12 points 4 months ago

I think I've finally figured out the Democratic Party's strategy here. The Dems have never held the presidency through two consecutive candidates, save for the VP taking over after the president's death. They're pushing Biden so hard knowing he'll die shortly into his second term, then they'll have Harris for at least one term, giving them a slight advantage in 2028. And if they can secure a second term for Harris, that gives them eight years to mildly delay fascism, and by that point the earth will be on fire too much for any government system to matter.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Oh yeah.

2028 is going to be a repeat of this regardless of if Biden or Kamal run in 2024.

2028 will be a bullshit "primary", NH will get their delegates stolen again. And the DNC will announce it's over after 3-4 Republican states have voted.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

I'll say this:

Whether he stays or he goes we all need to figure out a direction soon or be split when it matters most.

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How about you first of all pull your head out of your ass and understand the existential nature of the situation, Biden? It’s starting to look like you’re one of the last people in the party that just doesn’t fucking get it. We’re probably not going to have real elections anymore if you lose to Trump, and you don’t seem to be taking that seriously. You’ve done fuck-all over your term to actually combat the rising fascism in this country, and we’re in this situation in large part because of that. Get out of the fucking way and let someone who will actually treat the situation with the seriousness it deserves have the ticket.

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[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 5 points 4 months ago

There's a better way to end the drama: campaign like democracy is at stake. Go on a campaign tour and turn those numbers around. Oh well ...

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is the kind of leadership he needs to show to convince everyone he's still viable, but a letter on it's own is not going to cut it.

I hear he called in on Morning Joe as well, I need to run that down.

Edit Found the clip:

https://youtu.be/8aziuR76Cek

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

I hear he called in on Morning Joe as well, I need to run that down.

I don't watch it, but apparently Biden watches it daily to the point it's like Fox and Friends for trump.

After the debate the couple who hosts split on what to do. And the one that wasn't still Biden didn't show to a taping after.

There's been a lot of articles about Morning Joe and Biden recently

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

This is just pigheaded stubbornness.

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