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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 84 points 2 months ago

Don't worry, the people who need to listen to this will take one look at this and say "Well, I'M voting with my HEART", because their heart tells them to do everything they can to enable fascism in the US.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago

The most vulnerable people I know are being targeted by a campaign of genocide. How do I vote in their best interests?

[-] brown567@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 months ago

Assuming you're talking about Palestine, probably the one that hasn't told donors that he plans to crush protests and deport demonstrators on the matter

[-] hark@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Okay, now how do I help the people being genocided?

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 months ago

They just told you. You have two realistic options (sorry, third parties are a fantasy under the current American electoral system). One of those options will permit and even tepidly support genocide in Palestine, the other will actively and eagerly encourage it. You pick the lesser of those two evils, and then you fight like hell against them until you get the results you're actually looking for.

One of the smartest things I've ever heard about Western liberal democracy is this; "Voting is when you get to choose your opponent." You're not endorsing a platform, you're arranging the battlefield.

At the end of the day, Trump will be somewhat worse for the people of Palestine than Biden will, and much, much worse for everyone in America. It might feel icky voting for Biden, but if you truly care about the lives of the people in Gaza, it is the best choice you can make under the options available to you.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

You don't. Not with your vote, anyway - these libs telling you to "vote blue no matter who" aren't interested in Palestinians apart from the bad optics it brings to their liberal ideology.

Vote your conscience - but if you want to help Palestinians, you have to go outside the "formal" political channels (the "formal" political channels are all perfectly fine with the slaughter)... just like the people who protested the Vietnam War.

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

2 years old

President Biden will also announce new contributions totaling $316 million to support the Palestinian people. This is on top of the more than half a billion dollars the United States has provided to the Palestinian people since the Biden Administration restored much needed funding to the Palestinians.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/07/14/fact-sheet-the-united-states-palestinian-relationship/

Finally, President Biden's reiteration that the only way forward to maintain Israel's security is through the two-state solution is consistent with the administration's approach from day one.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/bidens-stance-palestinian-israeli-conflict-call-humanitarian-aid-and-two-state-solution

The directive signed by Biden last month effectively allows Palestinian immigrants who would otherwise have to leave the United States to stay without the threat of deportation for at least 18 months.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-palestinian-refugees-plan-gaza-israel-war-0c73c3c214d354da2d22577bf1cc09b3

[-] Taako_Tuesday@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 months ago

This will also work for conservatives, though. They will imsist that the most vulnerable people are unborn children, therefore they should vote anti-abortion

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 22 points 2 months ago

Will = have been for decades and will continue to do so. Up next is contraception because they will act like unfertilized eggs are children next.

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[-] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

Idk.

On the one hand Trump might go to prison for the rest of his life if he loses this election.

On the other hand most of my policy goals are at least considered by Biden.

So I think I'll ignore you and happily vote to send Trump to prison.

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 23 points 2 months ago

"I'm sure letting the fascists win chasing the rapturous dream that this time surely it will teach the DNC "its lesson" is 100% in the interests of that trans kid! And I get to make that judgement call because the list the fascists put out says how much further down the kill list I am from them!"

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[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Uhm...yeah. Everybody is against gender affirming surgery for minors.

Contrary to what right-wing media likes to claim, it doesn't happen.

What does happen for transgender youth is puberty blockers. That allows them to delay the hormonal changes of puberty so that they may make an easier physical transition, if they so choose, when they are an adult. In the meantime, trans girls can more easily tuck and won't develop a 5 o'clock shadow or deep voice, trans boys will not be growing breasts or menstruating, and both retain more a more gender-ambiguous frame.

But puberty blockers have other uses besides gender-affirming care, and they've long been proven incredibly safe and non-permanent.

[-] Anomaline@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Literally nobody is performing gender-affirming surgery on minors. It's difficult enough to get as an adult lmao

[-] brown567@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

Ever heard of Project 2025?

It calls for barring transgender people from the military and to stop what it considers the “toxic normalization of transgenderism” across the government and American society. It seeks to abolish the president’s Gender Policy Council, “which it views as promoting abortion and the ‘new woke gender ideology,’”

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[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I think they're vastly less than perfect and I don't want any of this for Americans but I want outright fascism less.

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[-] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

IMHO foolish to focus on the most vulnerable rather than how most people are vulnerable in some way or another and putting foremost in policy messaging changes that would help large numbers of people.

I sympathize with the plight of trans folks and other smaller disadvantaged minority groups but half of Americans are barely making ends meet, and America is falling further behind in manufacturing, infrastructure and technology/research, all while bathroom bills and grooming narratives are decade+ old very effective wedge issues.

Help the most vulnerable certainly but put front and foremost how the vast majority would be helped if you want to motivate voters and win converts.

[-] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

A rising tide lifts all boats.

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[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago
[-] notanaltaccount@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

The most vulnerable would probably be some kid in Gaza without access to clean water.

But I haven't met them.

Can I vote for them and, if so, who do I choose?

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[-] mecfs@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

And disabled or chronically ill people!

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[-] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago
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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Seriously.

Biden needs to step aside ASAP so that we can get a candidate with a better than 50/50 chance at beating trump.

trump is too dangerous to risk it, voters and the party both need to do everything possible to stop him.

For the party, that means not running Biden

[-] Grebes@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately current polling hasn’t shown someone like that yet. Harris would probably be first up but it’s not an advantage starting again this late unfortunately.

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