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[-] aliteral@lemmy.world 168 points 6 months ago

These people who hate GIMP didn't really practice with it all that much. I use for my day job, editing photos and making content for marketplaces. It works very well. The workflow may be different to PS, yes, but that does not make GIMP bad. Also, for those who hate the UI, two things. First, why don't you help the dev team? And second, we'll have GTK3 support soon (finally).

[-] at_an_angle@lemmy.one 81 points 6 months ago

I tried. I really tried to like GIMP. The main reason I don't like it is because it's trying so hard to be a professional picture editor and the UI.

Why can't I deselect things? Why does something need to be selected at all times? Let me just click a button and remove the selection outline and deselect things.

No. I won't help the dev team because I can't code to save my ass. I turn wrenchs and fix things for a living.

I use other, simpler pic editors. Why should I learn to fly a Boeing 747 when a Cessna 172 will get me where I need to go? I'm making a shit post once every three months, not professional art.

[-] qaz@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

You can deselect all with CTRL + SHIFT + A and deselect a specific part by changing the selection mode from replace or additive to subtract.

[-] festnt@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

imagine locking deselection behind a keybind nobody will know about

[-] kspatlas@lemm.ee 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's literally at the top of the select menu

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[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 56 points 6 months ago

GIMP is bad. If the problem was simply that it was "different to PS" then other apps like Krita and Affinity Photo would have the same reputation.

If a user goes looking for a tool or feature and it's not in the first place they look, that's a problem of "didn't really practice that much". If experienced people need to look up how to do basic operations and their reaction is "that's fucking stupid", then the software is bad.

To then say "well why don't you help the Dev team then" is insane. I'm not spending hundreds of hours digging GIMP out of bad design decisions when I could just use better software and I haven't seen any evidence that my PR would even be accepted.

Nobody needs excuses and apologism, they need Blender for image editing and GIMP just isn't that.

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 46 points 6 months ago

I mean, I've been using GIMP as my primary photo editor for...over a decade. When I use other programs, nothing is where I expect it to be and I think "well, that's fucking stupid"

[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago

Have you thought about applying for a job at Adobe and fixing it?

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[-] umbraroze@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

I've been using GIMP since the very dawn, I use plenty of other image editors for variety of reasons (Affinity Photo, DxO PhotoLab, ArtRage, Clip Studio), and I have no problems with the UIs in any of them.

Yet every time I use Adobe software I'm like "why is it doing this? Why is it designed this way? Who thought that was a good idea? This is stupid."

[-] jose1324@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

'help the dev team' is a lunatics response. I use Linux but fuck the users man.

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[-] puchaczyk 17 points 6 months ago

I'm just glad they added non destructive editing in the latest version. I've tried to rotate/resize something in gimp before and it was a chore to keep quality acceptable.

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[-] Ascend910@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago

Please teach to how draw good circles and eclipse And how to resize sollection by corner

[-] renzev@lemmy.world 44 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

good circles and eclipse

I assume "eclipse" is a typo of ellipse? Anyway, just use the ellipse select tool (keybind: e) to make a selection in the shape that you want, then fill it in with the bucket tool (b). Hold shift while using the bucket tool to fill in the entire selection, ignoring anything that's drawn inside it. If you want to draw a ring rather than a completely filled circle, use the "border" command from the "select" dropdown menu to replace the ellipse/circle selection with its border.

how to resize selection by corner

I'm curious, what is your usecase for this? I've never had to do it myself. But if I had to, here's how I would do it: first, convert the seleciton to a path. Make sure the path is visible from the "Paths" dialog (you have to explicitly show the paths dialog using the "window > dockable dialogs" option. From then on, you can use any of the usual transform tools (perspective, resize, roate, etc) on the path. You just have to select the path icon under "Transform: " in the "tool properties" dialog to make sure you're transforming the path, not a pixel layer. Once you've transformed the path to your liking, you can turn it back to a selection, fill it with color, or stroke it with a brush by right-clicking on it in the "layers" dialog.

Also, bonus tip: never use the dropdown menus, it's a huge waste of time. Just press / to pull up for the command palette and search for the tool you need.

EDIT: I love lovingly ranting about gimp, I can do it four hours on end. I'm not some sort of gimp guru, but I know a thing or two. If anyone has any more questions, feel free to reply to this comment and I'll do my best to give advice.

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago

You learn this by messing around or did you follow some guide?

[-] renzev@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Combination of both I guess? Like for the second one I found out that you can convert between selections and paths a long time ago just by stumbling upon the menu entry for it, but I had to look up how to apply transformations to paths

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[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I think what burns people the most is that after Photoshop 5 or so, GIMP stopped keeping up with all the improvements in the later Photoshop versions. People making the jump from 2024 Photoshop to 1996 Photoshop UI/UX are gonna have a bad time.

Edit: as a software developer I can say that I've never seen a user more frustrated, sometimes even irrationally so, when they are forced to re-learn muscle memory to perform a familiar task. I've also seen people practically riot at the mere suggestion that this will happen. If you wish to curry favor with your userbase, never ever, remove keyboard accelerators, move toolbars around, break workflow, etc.

[-] BlessedDog@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Had to learn Gimp in 4th or 6th grade, not sire which one it was, pretty comfortable with it, though I admit, it can be frustrating sometimes.

[-] TheHowTM@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

I know it's a consequence of open source development, but I just absolutely despise the file picker. Everything else is dreamy.

[-] renzev@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Everything else is dreamy.

Gimp spolied me. Now every time I'm forced to use a GUI app with lots of dropdown menu items, I get irrationally angry that I can't just hit / to search through them like I can in gimp lol.

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[-] FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

help the dev team

And we wonder why people don’t like using Linux or FOSS software.

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[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 107 points 6 months ago

I have no idea how selection works anywhere else, since I only ever used gimp.

For me, I don't understand this meme, selection seems to work very intuitively, it seems to do what I expect it to do.

[-] Anamana@feddit.de 116 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

work very intuitively

I only ever used gimp

[-] Routhinator@startrek.website 50 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Lol, all these GIMP haters who don't seem to understand the goal was being on par with Photoshop when it was a desktop application. It works exactly like Photoshop always did. And I agree, selection makes sense. There were many apps that worked the same.. Paint Shop Pro as well.

I guess the kids have all grown up with some other tools and would rather call things they don't understand stupid than try to grasp where the tool came from.

I'm not sure how Krita is different but then again I haven't used it. I installed it, saw it looked like a fork of GIMP, and stuck with what I knew. Which is probably what anyone who hates GIMP should do.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 52 points 6 months ago

It works exactly like Photoshop always did.

Unequivocally false (source: been a PS user since version 7)

[-] Routhinator@startrek.website 13 points 6 months ago

I haven't used Photoshop since version 4 so we can't really compare notes here. I dropped Windows during the Blaster Worm attack in the early 2000s

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 months ago

I was using Mac OS 9 at the time! But PS 7's workflow was already pretty similar to what it is today, and far more intuitive than GIMP which I tried for the first time in 2006-ish.

[-] Routhinator@startrek.website 12 points 6 months ago

Interesting. I remember trying a copy of newer Photoshop a few years and being genuinely confused by how layers worked as they've always been part of my flow.

The old versions of photoshop and paint shop pro were heavily layer based and selections were automatically a mask of the current layer as in GIMP so GIMP was easy for me to transfer too at the time.

I also find that intuitive is a relative term. Relative based on your own experience.

[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I also find that intuitive is a relative term. Relative based on your own experience.

That's a very good point. As a counterpoint though, pretty much every other app (Affinity Photo, Photopea, even Krita to a certain extent) emulates the PS workflow, which makes GIMP feel even more odd. Its paradigm was probably OK in the early 00s but the world has moved on.

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[-] bananabenana@lemmy.world 55 points 6 months ago

Taking the time to learn gimp is worthwhile. Its really powerful once you know how to use it IMO

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[-] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 42 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm confused. Just tried the selection tool in GIMP and Krita on my PC and sketchbook on my tablet. Works the same way as far as I can tell. Just select, draw in there, copy/paste, ctrl-shift-a to unselect. Moving is more convenient in Krita and Sketchbook, true, but like that can't be it right? I'm at a loss.

[-] renzev@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

That's because you know that "select none" is the correct tool to use in gimp most of the time. For lots of new users, "select all" seems like the more obvious option as opposed to "select none". The reasoning is something like "I want to be able to edit the entire picture, so I should select all". It doesn't help that "select all" has the simpler keyboard shortcut of the two. So they press "select all", then use a transformation tool like Scale or Rotate, and instead of simply transforming the layer like they would expect, it funnels them into the lovecraftian abomination of confusing UI design that is Floating Selection.

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[-] WallEx@feddit.de 34 points 6 months ago

I dont really know photo editing, could someone explain?

[-] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 65 points 6 months ago

It takes a while to figure out how selections in Gimp work.

It whenever you select you have created a mask and when you combine it with layers it can get very confusing.

If you accidentally select a small bit you cannot edit anything else. I think that is what OP is referring to.

There is a tool that shows you what you have selected that can help.

IMO Gimp isn’t very well documented so you can get stuck for a while before you understand what is going on.

[-] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago

Oooh, wait, that isn't how it works in other programs? I really like that behaviour in GIMP to be perfectly honest, have used it in editing stuff deliberately.

[-] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's a common scenario in software. We think some things like ui designs and workflows are "natural", but they're quire arbitrary, and people just got used to them. Then people who are used to it will feel lost with any different workflow, and people who first learned the different ones may feel at home.

A nice example is the windows ui, that a lot of people who grew up with it feel like the most straightforward way to use a computer, but people who grew up with smartphones usually struggle with it and find something like the gnome ui more straightforward.

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[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 6 months ago

Yes, people are handicapped and entrapped by using Adobe products.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 18 points 6 months ago

Doesn't Ctrl + A deselect?

[-] renzev@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

yeah, that's the point of the joke. You'd think that the "default state" should be "select all" -- I want to edit the entire layer, so I should select all of it. But no, "select all" has a bunch of weird obscure behaviour, "select none" is what you want most of the time, even though it gets the shortcut with more keys.

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[-] sirico@feddit.uk 16 points 6 months ago

Crtl shift a it's so obvious right... Right?!

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 9 points 6 months ago

I never knew about it until now and I've used GIMP often enough, but if I was going to assign a keyboard shortcut, that makes sense. Ctrl +A select all. Ctrl + Shift + A select none.

Shift is the oppositer (reverser?). Tab goes to next field, Shift + Tab goes in reverse order. Ctrl + T open new tab in browser, Ctrl + Shift + T reopen last closed tab - OK that's not exactly opposite but close enough.

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[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

Meanwhile me using Corel draw:

[-] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

guys don't try to resize the canvas by eye in paint.NET

even ms paint is better in this regard

[-] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 months ago

lemmy is stupid and made that a URL, do not click it

[-] uis@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago

Not on jerboa. Also it shouldn't be URL. URL should be schema://[[user@]host[:port]]/path?query

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[-] cupcakezealot 9 points 6 months ago

lemmy is stupid and made that a URL, do not click it

this is like when aerith told me not to look up at the sky in rebirth

[-] Brickardo@feddit.nl 15 points 6 months ago

Don't try to draw a circle either

[-] alyth@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

Context?

[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

why don't people use krita? Gimp may be the most famous photoshop alternative, but I almost never hear anyone talk about others that may potentially be better.

[-] laurelraven 9 points 6 months ago

Krita is better for some things but I find Gimp's workflow easier for me in a lot of things

Krita's Wacom tablet support, though, was way smoother and easier to get working with Krita, which is the main reason I even tried it out

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