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[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 138 points 3 months ago

Literally all you post about is "don't vote Biden".

You always capitalise Russia, but then generalise "the west".

You never go against Trump or the Republicans. Always just "don't vote Democrats".

And weirdly you seem to try this "both sides" bullshit even when you do the rare comment about something other than "don't vote genocide Joe", like in this thread where you're talking about the Russo-Ukrainian war carefully without taking a side on the issue.

So, how would one recognise an actual Russian troll, btw? Like... they probably wouldn't admit to being one, would they?

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 52 points 3 months ago

Yeah this account basically just flipped to constantly posting Israel war memes a month ago.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 34 points 3 months ago

Along with quite a few others. Before that, it was all economy all the time

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[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Tired talking points.

"I know trump is bad, but democrats are worse!"

"Republicans at least show who they really are, democrats decieve their constituents!"

"I'm not for Russia, but Ukraine should just ceasefire, so there's no more bloodshed."

"I know genocide would be even worse under Republicans, but Genocide Joe should concede and let someone else run."

"Both sides are the same, so a vote for either side is a vote for the same thing."

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 15 points 3 months ago

in this thread where you’re talking about the Russo-Ukrainian war carefully without taking a side on the issue.

I think russia is in the wrong and deserves to lose, but I think Ukraine does not have the numbers to win on their own and I think the US knows this but is only really after hurting russia's economic ability to pursue their further imperial ambitions. Since russia has entered a wartime economy I don't think this is likely anymore and we are creating a situation where russia has no reason not to continue and a larger conflict with NATO is likely.

Does that help clarify?

Literally all you post about is “don’t vote Biden”.

Close: I post a lot of agitation for democrats to demand better from their party, and i've mocked the impulse to signal loyalty despite knowing what the democrats are doing is wrong, but I have never encouraged anyone not to vote. Democrats have no reason to address criticism if they are confident voters will turn out regardless, that's the impetus of my strategic agitation. I could be wrong and it could be misguided but I don't think it is.

You always capitalise[sic] Russia, but then generalise[sic] “the west”.

I don't know how to take this, considering it's a comment about proper capitalization that's filled with typos/misspellings. If i've ever failed to capitalize another country's name it isn't on purpose. Since you're more familiar with my comment history i'll let you point out which ones i've made that mistake in and I'll correct them as needed. I'll even de-capitalize russia if you want, i don't give a fuck.

So, how would one recognise[sic] an actual Russian troll, btw? Like… they probably wouldn’t admit to being one, would they?

I've repeatedly had this conversation with you, I don't feel it necessary to have it again. You can suspect me of being a troll if you want but since it's not possible for me to prove to you otherwise I don't think it's worthy of addressing. Mods can verify my IP address area if they feel its warranted. It's making me uncomfortable that i've attracted this much attention from you though, out of concern of being doxxed I'm thinking I should start using a VPN.

Please stop harassing me.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You stop doing shit posts lying and misrepresenting things, and people stop giving you shit for them. Sound like a deal?

Such thin skin it's pretty cringe-worthy. For how much smack you talk.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 6 points 3 months ago

Just out of curiosity, what was the misrepresentation this time?

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

It's a shitpost kiddo. You know exactly what they are. It's the reason you posted them. Who do you think you're fooling? Because if anyone's being fooled it isn't us :-). And if you're going to do it at least have the decency to not feign ignorance and cry when others call you out on it.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 5 points 3 months ago

It's as high-quality of a meme as it's responding to, chum :)

Back and forth, forever ))<>((

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I didn't say it wasn't. Just that you're bad at this.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 5 points 3 months ago
[-] Donut@leminal.space 8 points 3 months ago

You always capitalise[sic] Russia, but then generalise[sic] “the west”.

What kind of US Defaultism is this? Capitalise and generalise are 100% correct in British English.

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[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Oh I've got you blocked.

Doesn't work like it does on Reddit though, so I still see your shitposts. As long as I encounter your posts, I will keep replying to them.

Too bad.

Like I've said and like everyone keeps saying, you're really bad at this.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

You always capitalise Russia, but then generalise “the west”.

...

You're supposed to capitalize the name of countries, and not geo-poltical regions...

Hell, by your logic since you capitalized trump and republicans it means you support them and not that you're fighting autocorrect to make a very very small point.

So, how would one recognise an actual Russian troll, btw? Like… they probably wouldn’t admit to being one, would they?

One thing people look for is an unfamiliarity with the convoluted rules of English. Like not knowing what gets capitalized...

But by 2024 most people have realized social media comments rarely have that much thought put into them. If say a good way is looking at where they spend their time. We know from a recent study (can't be bothered to Google it right now).

But it's safe to say people with nefarious reasons for posting wouldn't spend their time on one of the smallest social media platforms.

Like, just think about it rationally for a second. Why wouldn't they do it on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, TikTok, or somewhere else their audience would be tens or hundreds of millions? Why spend the same amount of effort where even if it takes off, your audience is like not going to exceed more than a few thousand at most?

I'm just fucking tired of people constantly accusing each other of being professional state actors.

It's something trump would do...

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 12 points 3 months ago

You're supposed to capitalize the name of countries, and not geo-poltical regions

I have no interest in the substance of the argument which has nothing to do with the grammar, but, yes you are. “We need to go west to reach the river” is lower case, “we need to align with the West to reach our goals” is capitalized.

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[-] GlitchyDigiBun@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Look up. The point went right over your head.

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[-] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They are more than likely a sock puppet of one of the banned spreaders of propaganda.

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[-] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

You always capitalise Russia

But... that's how you're supposed to write it.

So, how would one recognise an actual Russian troll, btw?

Look, you yourself just capitalized the R.

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[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 30 points 3 months ago

i dont get it.. broad democratic support === fascism?

i always though facism was a much more specific construct.. ie a far-right, authoritarian, ultra-nationalistic political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 26 points 3 months ago
  1. It is. Trump equals actual fascism in its full terrifying form, which is why it is a big deal to defeat him even though the current alternative are largely uninspiring corporate-friendly goons
  2. Biden has paused some weapons shipments because of Israel's war crimes, and is pushing to stop the killing; the Republicans are specifically the party that's trying to override him on that and make sure they get their weapons and encourage them to do more killing. That doesn't in any capacity excuse 8 months and counting of the Democrats funding and supporting Israel's crimes, generally speaking... but it does make it a little weird for someone who cares deeply about the Palestinian people to single out the Democrats as the problem that needs to be addressed, in order to help the Palestinians.
[-] archomrade@midwest.social 7 points 3 months ago

That doesn’t in any capacity excuse 8 months and counting of the Democrats funding and supporting Israel’s crimes

Yup

but it does make it a little weird for someone who cares deeply about the Palestinian people to single out the Democrats as the problem that needs to be addressed, in order to help the Palestinians

Not when democrats are supposed to be the ones fighting for justice and they aren't.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I guess my question then is, what’s your solution?

  • Deciding not to vote no matter what, will either have no impact or it’ll make things exponentially worse (both for the Palestinians and for any outside-the-paradigm movement that is trying to change the system at a deeper level)
  • Putting pressure on the Democrats in some way I feel like could work
  • Direct action could work, basically that’s the same as #2

What would you want to do?

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[-] Melkath@kbin.earth 6 points 3 months ago

Oh get over yourself.

He paused one shipment, then a week later sent a shipment twice as big.

Such mental gymnastics to say when Trump does it it's actual fascism bit when Biden does it it's like not even really fascism, man, and... BuT tRuMp!!!@!@

We have 2 far right fascist parties in America. That simple.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

week later sent a shipment twice as big.

Citation? I am genuinely asking; I looked around for information about what happened after the “pause”, or what weapons it did and didn’t apply to, and I couldn’t find anything.

The rest of your message is a such a cartoonish misrepresentation of what I am actually saying that I think it would be pointless to engage with. @archomrade@lemmy.world - see, it is frustrating when someone assigns you an imaginary viewpoint and starts arguing super aggressively against this thing that isn’t what you are actually saying, isn’t it? 🥲

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[-] archomrade@midwest.social 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

i dont get it… broad democratic support === fascism?

No, the logic is actually:

Israel == a fascist state

Democrats continue supporting Israel -> Democrats are supporting a fascist state

Saying 'we are an anti-fascist coalition' is in tension with that coalition supporting a fascist state.

[-] kabe@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

That's what fascism is, yes. The point being made, I think, is that Democrats are claiming to be anti-fascist while also supporting a fascist government in Israel.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

broad democratic support

Meaning, of course:

  1. Israel has bought off political leaders from both parties for decades.

  2. Republican voters won't ever criticize their own team.

  3. There is a MASSSSIVE push to turn the Dem party into the same shit show.

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think they meant broad Democratic support, referring to the party

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Even if that's what they meant, Dem voters don't want to fund a genocide.

But the leaders of both parties do.

Because they're paid to want that.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S

And that's not even accounting for the other side of the money: American arms manufactures

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/reports/capitalizing-on-conflict/defense-contractors

The victims of genocide rarely have the cash to bribe US politicians

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[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Neither here nor there but if you add a black outline or shadow to white text it becomes a lot more readable. See how it kinda blurs with the background in the first panel? On Photoshop you can do this easily by selecting the text layers, right click, blending options.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 months ago

Do they? I think the bigger issue is the geopolitical value of Israel as an ally.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 11 points 3 months ago

There being a reason for supporting a fascist state doesn't negate the fact that they are supporting a fascist state.

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

Russia and China wouldn’t be prolifically seeding ideas about abandoning Israel otherwise. Israel’s an indescribably useful platform for military campaigns.

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[-] blarth@thelemmy.club 9 points 3 months ago

Take this stupid shit back to hexbear.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

As long as "other guy" is worse, that gives license to do anything, including supporting genocide, according to democrats.

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[-] kittenzrulz123 5 points 3 months ago

To the other people in the comments: if you use Trump as whataboutism you're the reason why nothing gets done

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