Microsoft to test “new features and more” for aging, stubbornly popular Windows 10 : technology

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 136 points 8 months ago

Another great ploy by Microsoft to increase Linux adoption.

[-] Artemis@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago

I just wiped Windows from my drive yesterday and committed to Fedora after dualbooting for 15 years...I've been maining Fedora for a while and always kept Windows around "just in case", but never actually seemed to need it. This recall/AI spyware was it for me though. Gaming has been a breeze for a while on Fedora/Linux due to Steam/Proton...such a great feeling to finally be completely rid of Windows!

[-] Thrickles@lemm.ee 121 points 8 months ago

Stubborn? Windows 11 does not support my older hardware. With no other reason to upgrade, I'm not dropping that kind of cash just for Windows 11.

Regardless, I fully migrated to Linux last year.

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[-] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 67 points 8 months ago

Bring back support for Windows 7 and Windows 10 will die overnight.

[-] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago

Windows media center alone is worth resurrecting win7 for.

[-] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 11 points 8 months ago

Honestly the experience of Jellyfin, Tvheadend and Kodi is these days nicer than MCE ever was

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[-] ObamaBinLaden@lemmy.world 67 points 8 months ago

TF do they mean stubbornly popular? My windows 10 works perfectly fine and I have absolutely no reason to change anything about it. What is this weird ass 'if you're not upgrading, you're being stubborn' when there is no reason to and windows 11 looks ass on top of it

[-] invertedspear@lemm.ee 16 points 8 months ago

Umm maybe it’s stubbornly popular because devices running it can’t be updated. My OG surface book (a Microsoft flagship device for awhile) is great hardware, but can’t update to 11. My gaming laptop is even better hardware but doesn’t meet the win11 requirements. Because they are sealed devices. I literally couldn’t if I wanted to.

[-] tektite@slrpnk.net 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Agreed, and I would think XP was the stubbornly popular version. People were on there for years after end of support.

A large amount of people still clinging to Win 10 because the only other (Windows) option is upgrading to 11 doesn't mean it's "popular" so much as it means people want 11 even less than they wanted 10.

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[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 66 points 8 months ago

Windows 10 isn't popular. It's just that windows 11 is crap in comparison. Release an OS that isn't predicated on what's good for ad revenue and Microsoft's bottom line and everyone will upgrade.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 54 points 8 months ago

Microsoft made a big mistake with Windows 10: it basically works fine.

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[-] Cossty@lemmy.world 49 points 8 months ago

They just want to make w10 as bad if not worse than w11. Because they want people say: I might as well use w11.

[-] Raglesnarf@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I can enable some TMP in my bios to give me "windows 11 compatibility" but I have no reason to do so. If I could chill on Windows 7 forever I would

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[-] Wirlocke 34 points 8 months ago

So they're ending support but will use the remaining users like test guinea pigs.

Great...

[-] xavier666@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago

This is called the "RedHat CentOS" strategy

[-] purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 12 points 8 months ago

So no change whatsoever then? Ever since it released windows 10 patch testing has been "release to end user and see what the complaints are."

[-] letsgo@lemm.ee 33 points 8 months ago

Well it's only Windows that's complaining it can't install Windows 11 on my Windows 10 laptop. I'm not mothballing perfectly good hardware just because Microsoft is having a tantrum.

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[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 32 points 8 months ago

win 11 adoption must be pretty bad if they have to do their new features beta testing on win 10 (which should be on a security updates/show-stopper bugfix only policy by now) instead.

[-] The_v@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

Windows 11 adoption to business customers is really bad. Most of the adoption to 11 has been from people purchasing new home computers and being stuck with 11 (I have two win 11 computers now).

Since the bulk of Microsoft's revenue comes from business customers, they have a huge impact on decisions.

At this point the only decision Microsoft can make is to write off win 11 as a failue. Resuming feature upgrades to win 10 makes business sense.

[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago

My company basically said they're only going to update if they absolutely have to. IT and management are aligned for the first time in my entire career. There's been talks of switching entirely to Linux and Mac. Microsoft really fucked up.

[+] FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

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[-] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 8 months ago

For PC gamers Linux is the only alternative but I don't expect a major migration. The last ten years have shown that the average gamer is willing to accept a lot of hostile behaviour from companies as long as they are able to keep playing their games. Microtransactions, Loot boxes, kernel level anticheat, and broken buggy releases haven't killed that industry yet. Windows 11 is just another thing that will be loudly complained about in gamer circles but not much will come of it.

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[-] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 30 points 8 months ago

Is there a commonly accepted reason why Microsoft makes these big releases so different?

AFAIK macOS has relatively minor changes, in terms of UI/UX, from release to release (look at screenshots of the original OS X vs. the current macOS version). And Linux is entirely dependent on distro, but for me it's just "has i3wm changed drastically? No? Great!"

My guess is that Windows just does it because they need folks to upgrade, and that's the only tool they have to force people's hands...

[-] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 52 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's a direct result of their corporate culture.
MS has different teams competing with each other, and keeping something running well for years won't get you noticed for a promotion.
You have to do something new to get ahead, preferably more so than the other team working next to you . So that's what everyone at MS is trying to do.

This is why there are multiple Teams apps, multipe Skype apps, multiple current Office versions and multiple Microsoft login portals side by side now.
It's why Outlook licensing has a different backend than all other Office apps.
It's why there are several Windows development branches running in parallel, and several different systems handling updates.
It's why there's a dozen different overlapping M365 admin portals that keep changing their UI, and settings keep getting moved around between them.

It makes absolutely no sense for the end user, but it makes sense inside MS' internal corporate structure.

[-] indomara@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

No fucking thank you, I have long since completely neutered my pc's ability to update. I updated enough to install drivers and get it stable, and that's it. I don't trust windows.

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[-] Mertn33@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

It is malware, not software.

[-] Defaced@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

I'll just jump ship completely and use my Linux install 100% of the time. If I need to use a more mainstream OS for some stupid reason I'll just use my Mac.

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[-] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 23 points 8 months ago

Probably a sad attempt at adding “shiny” features to get people to upgrade to 11 once updates are no longer published for 10?

“We’ll get people hooked on these shiny features, 90% of which are not interesting. Then we’ll pull the update rug from under them. And bingo, they’ll upgrade!!”

[-] GlitterNinja@midwest.social 38 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Probably more like, “we’ll make Windows 10 indistinguishable from Windows 11, at which point people will have no reason to stick with Windows 10” (unless their computers can’t update to Windows 11, like my laptop)

Or maybe I’m just showing that I know nothing about how updates work and that I perhaps shouldn’t be commenting in a technology community…

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 23 points 8 months ago

Technically win 11 has the same main version number to win 10. They're essentially different UIs with extra features in 11. There's no technical reason why anything in 11 can't be backported to 10 unless it requires a TPM (maybe)

[-] stardustsystem@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Even 11 doesn't require a TPM if you know what you're doing.

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[-] whoisthedoktor@lemmy.wtf 22 points 8 months ago

You want "new features and more"?

Linux.

You're welcome.

[-] MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 months ago

I want old features and less. 😞

(I'm still switching to Linux.)

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[-] uriel238 22 points 8 months ago

Can I opt out?

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[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

Shit, I'd still be using xp if they let me.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

Having used XP recently, I...would not.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 18 points 8 months ago

Backporting the ads?

[-] errer@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

How much you wanna bet Recall gets added to Win10 as well?

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[-] Delusional@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

It's almost like they're trying to make people switch to Linux and kill PC gaming altogether. Luckily gaming on Linux has come pretty far.

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[-] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 16 points 8 months ago

The "and more" is the worrying part. They're telling us that some of the things they are adding are not 'features'. So then what are they?

Ads, probably. That's the trend these days. More and more ads, in everything, everywhere - just really probing the limits of tolerability.

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[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Is one of those "features" CoPilot? Because I did a search for it on my Windows 10 installation, and found several small bits of it, including a directory called "Microsoft CoPilot." It looks like a placeholder for a full installation, later on. I'm guessing Office 365 put it there.

[-] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 15 points 8 months ago

They're going to make it shit so you're forced to go to 11, or the much better alternative if it's an option for you.

[-] adam_y@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

My set up comfortably plays cyberpunk at dead fancy settings, but doesn't meet the system requirements for windows 11.

Yeah, I'm going to rub out windows 10 as long as I can (although I dual boot Debian anyway).

That's why it is stubbonky popular.

[-] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

rub out Windows 10

Whatever is your kink, bro.

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[-] s_s@lemm.ee 14 points 8 months ago

Windows is not a serious OS anymore.

[-] shani66@ani.social 14 points 8 months ago

I'm not stubborn, I'm just not going to accept a worse version of what I've already got.

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[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 14 points 8 months ago

No... we're good...

[-] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Please no. I didn't upgrade to Windows 11 on purpose. I'm just trying to hold out as long as I can until I'm forced to switch to Linux. I don't want to have to deal with more enshittification in the meantime.

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[-] fatboy93@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago

Windows laptops generally get trashy battery life, and if this going to tank it further, I'd just run Linux full-time on my family laptop and call it a day.

The only reason we had windows was my wife's comfortability and sometimes zoom glitches out on linux.

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