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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 106 points 5 months ago

Trump supporters issue threats of violence if it takes too long to get their McNuggets. They're not exactly people known for handling conflict appropriately.

[-] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 52 points 5 months ago

When I hear "I got fired for my political beliefs", I think "they got fired for being a contrarian blowhard with no impulse control".

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Same. Well, either that or their boss found a racist Tweet/FB rant of theirs.

[-] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago

Or out in the boonies it's the other way around and we smoke a joint.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 56 points 5 months ago

I still can’t fathom how he became president. He acts like a toddler

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 51 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Because that's conservatives level of understanding of how things actually work. Toddlers don't understand that other people are also conscious beings with feelings, thoughts, and different experiences. (I actually know many toddlers that are more empathetic, communicative, and understanding than the average conservative.)

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 months ago

I’m a conservative and I don’t think like that…

[-] ApostleO@startrek.website 30 points 5 months ago

To confirm what you mean by "I'm a conservative", which of these commonly held "conservative" beliefs (each which implies a lack of empathy) do you not subscribe to (i.e. "I don't think like that...")

  • Black people only get harassed by police more often because they commit more crime.
  • Gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry.
  • Women should not have the choice of abortion.
  • The state is allowed to infringe upon free speech to prevent you from telling children about gay people.
  • Foreigners are ruining this county.
  • Climate change is a lie.
  • COVID was a lie.
  • Contemporary statues honoring Confederate traitors and slave owners are "honored cultural heritage".
  • All corporate media lies about Donald Trump, except that corporate media which supports him.
  • Rich people earned all that money, and we have no right to take it back, or to limit how they use it.
[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don’t subscribe to any of these. I believe in traditional American values:

-Political parties are terrible for the US

-The government is for the people and as such should represent the people

-We should fight for the right to disagree with each other

-The Senate should represent the states and not the people

-The right to vote is fundamental to a democracy

-Religion must stay out of government

-You are free to have your opinion, you are not free to force your opinions on others

-We have a fundamental right to firearms for state militias

-Laws should be passed by congress. We shouldn’t have huge changes in law via SCOTUS

[-] lets_get_off_lemmy@reddthat.com 23 points 5 months ago

I would argue that "the right to vote is fundamental to a democracy" has never been an American conservative ideal. Conservatives have always tried to limit the number and kind of people that can vote and still do: non land owners, ex-slaves, black people, women, ex-felons, and all minorities now. Conservatives have also made a very successful effort to limit the relative power of people's votes when it doesn't suit their agenda through gerrymandering and unequal representation.

Also, really not sure what "the Senate should represent the states and not the people" means. Like it should represent the land? Not the people inside the state?

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

Before the amendment that made senators elected by the people, they were essentially delegations from the state. Each state having 1/50 of the representation. Changing to elected is stupid. Why do the people of Wyoming have the same representation as the people of California?

[-] lets_get_off_lemmy@reddthat.com 4 points 5 months ago

The people of Wyoming don't have the same representation as the people of California. They have way more relative representation. That's saying that rural votes mean more than urban. A Wyoming resident has 3.6 times more voting power than one in California.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

Sorry, I misstated that fact. You are correct. It’s ridiculous though

[-] Chef@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

Say you don’t understand a bicameral legislature without saying you don’t understand a bicameral legislature.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I agree with all of this, but I am not even remotely conservative. You're either omitting important details here, or you're simply not conservative.

For example, conservatives are against dismantling the electoral college, and they are one of the most aggressive abusers of gerrymandering. This flies against your belief that the right to vote is fundamental to our democracy.

You also say the government should represent the people, yet conservatives are at the forefront of things like overturning Roe v. Wade, which is an event that the grand majority of Americans did not want.

The religion staying out of government line is hilarious. That's 100% against modern conservative values. That's one of the biggest staples of the GOP.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

I’m a second generation immigrant from a non-Christian country. Therefore, I hold none of the anti-abortion or Christianity in government views. I also do not equate conservatism with the GOP. Hell, with the new branch of MAGA republicans, the GOP is becoming a far right party.

I disagree with gerrymandering. The people need to be represented. I’m on the fence about the electoral college. It’s supposed to guard against populism, yet Trump got elected.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I am a far-left progressive and hold every value you listed. Can you tell us why you believe you are conservative and not progressive?

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[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 14 points 5 months ago

Not kidding, at least 7 of these bullet points sound "wacko extreme-left" by the standards of American politics. The modern conservative version is:

  • Party over principle

  • Government exists to protect the prerogatives of the people at the top of the hierarchy

  • No dissent allowed

  • The vote must be restricted to people who vote as we like

  • Christianity is the basis of government

  • Government control over the most fundamental of opinions, like about one's own personal identity

  • The well-regulated militia clause is moot, the right to arms is absolute

  • SCOTUS can make profound changes at will, even to the Constitution itself

The above is what most people think when they hear "conservative" these days.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago

You don’t have to be Republican to be conservative

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 2 points 5 months ago

True, but if you call yourself conservative while espousing views that society at large views as somewhat left-wing, you'll constantly need to explain yourself.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 9 points 5 months ago

This is not a conservative platform.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

I’m not looking to get radicalized, nor am I looking for an echo chamber

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 1 points 5 months ago

I understand what you mean, but that's beside the point really.

Your list above is not actually consistent with conservative politics in the US.

For instance, you said:

The right to vote is fundamental to a democracy

The Republican party says:

Our platform is centered on [...] ensuring the integrity of our elections reference

In practice, "ensuring the integrity of our elections" means voter suppression, which is diametrically opposed to the idea that the right to vote is fundamental.

For another example, you said:

Religion must stay out of government

The Republican party keeps doing things like this:

Texas education leaders unveil Bible-infused elementary school curriculum

So again, my point is that your ideals are not actually aligned with conservatism in the US.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago

You don’t have to be Republican to be conservative

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Your are right about not being a typical conservative. Hell, I would say you are nothing like any conservative I have ever met.

-There is only one bad political party and them their is the demonrats

-The government needs to listen to its backbone like it's farmers and ranchers who produce all our food

-We should fight to force Americans to agree to our latest cultural war issue which is (checks notes) trans pro-palestine homeless immigrants athletes.

-The senate keeps a check on the liberal infested congress and helps prevent the people from inflicting their whims on the wealthy

-The right to vote should be suppressed when it is convenient and gerrymandering should be used to dilute any minority voting power.

-Religion, just like our moral and values, should be intertwined with the government. Freedom to spread Christian religion but not freedom from religion.

-Ending differing viewpoints such as woke culture is the only way to save America. We have to cancel woke

-Firearms are the only thing that separates the good guys from the bad. There would be no school shootings if every child was armed and trained to shoot.

-Laws should be written by our corporate overloads. SCOTUS will save our country now that we have packed it full of god-fearing conservatives

FTFY

[-] shasta@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

I understand why you consider yourself a conservative, but the modern Republican party does not share your ideals.

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago

Look at your political allies, friend. They all think like that.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago

I’m technically a conservative leaning independent. They’re not my allies.

[-] Today@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

How can we get your people to rise up and resist this dipshit? What's your plan for November?

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago

Unfortunately the answer is Biden.

I’m not a typical conservative though

[-] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

I’m not a ~~typical~~ conservative though. FTFY

You should make peace with that, and accept that the real values that represent the end game of conservative politics have finally shown themselves. There is no going back.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

I stand by my conservative values. Most of the conservatives that think like me are Democrats now

[-] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Correct, which is further dragging the Overton window to the right. Everything conservatism touches is tainted, and ultimately destroyed. It is a self-defeating philosophy.

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Look, the best way to decide what you mean here is just to tell us your favorite Republican President.

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[-] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 7 points 5 months ago

If you had empathy, you wouldn't be a conservative. I could go with a bunch more, but that pretty much covers it.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

This kind of thinking is eradicating moderate conservatives and liberals.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I still can’t fathom how he became president. He acts like a toddler

Because that’s conservatives level of understanding of how things actually work.

There's a piece of that but I don't think that's the largest reason Trump was elected. The largest would be...wait for it... income inequality! Follow me here for a minute. There are large numbers of Americans that are increasingly at the short end of the stick with GDP consistently rising, but their personal finances struggling and under fire worse every day. Part of the non-conservatives voted for Hilary pragmatically hoping for the scraps of social reform that Democrats are able to get passed into law. The other, and larger part of the non-conservatives, heard Trump the words that were lying to them telling them that they are poor because of immigrants and (oddly) spending on social programs that doesn't benefit that specific voter.

Honestly the biggest divisions aren't between Democrat and Republican. Those issue are mostly symptoms of the wealth inequality. The biggest division is between rich and poor. I think if those that voted for Trump were doing even moderately better financially, they'd be less concerned about someone below the poverty line getting a cell phone subsidy or child care credit.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago

Poverty is indeed the root cause of many societal issues, but it still boggles the mind that the answer to "income inequality" is "vote for the billionaire".

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

The mind-boggling thing is that he is a lifelong fraud and con man with zero attempts to hide it. The cultists still said shit like, "run America as a business." And he did run it like one of his businesses. Used it as a vehicle to accept dirty money from Russia while he golfed or watched TV all day.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You're off by a few years, but only a few.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/575962/donald-trump-tells-biographer-hes-same-now-first-grade

"When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I’m basically the same. The temperament is not that different."

D'Antonio also corroborated Trump's statement with evidence — from Trump's ex-wives.

"The little boy that still wants attention," explained Marla Maples, Trump's second wife.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

So does his base!

[-] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 30 points 5 months ago

Illegal to make threats isn't it? More bullshit from the party of law and order. Domestic terrorists they all are.

[-] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

What are they gonna do, shit their pants in his honor?

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 points 5 months ago

Or for an innocent verdict. Or just because it's Monday.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Please proceed

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

They issue those every day, but they ALSO issue them on that day.

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