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[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 14 points 2 years ago

Probably not technically Latino, but almost certainly Hispanic

The official definition of Hispanic is something like "almost everyone who considers themselves Hispanic". It's weird, but being raised in Latin America, having a family member from there, or just growing up in a neighborhood with that culture could all qualify you

[-] LexiconDrexicon@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago

So why is Texas a red state?

[-] Detonate9736@kbin.social 34 points 2 years ago

latinos tend to be pretty catholic

[-] renrenPDX@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago
[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Plus people who can’t be bothered to vote.

[-] esadatari@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

plus shutting down voting locations in predominantly non-white citizen areas in texas, especially in houston and the areas south of san antonio.

plus shutting down key locations in certain areas of the city throughout every major blue city to make it really inconvenient to vote.

plus understaffing specific locations in certain areas of the city to make it inconvenient to vote

plus a fair number of automatically “accidentally”changing votes on evoting machines in favor of the republicans that, if the person didn’t refuse to confirm and go back and correct choices they made, oops you voted all republican.

plus ken paxton withholding mail in votes because “it would have turned the state blue if the mail in ballots from austin area weren’t blocked.”

[-] half_fiction@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago

I looked this up because I thought Catholics traditionally leaned heavily democratic. According to wikipedia, that was the case into the 60s. The past few decades they've split fairly evenly between democrats and republicans, so I don't think that alone i's too much of a driving factor.

[-] Drtrillphill@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Your question assumes that many Hispanic people aren't Republican which is unfortunately not true

[-] Gerudo@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

A lot are catholic, which means prolife. It doesn't matter anything else politically due to abortion being a sin.

Source: in-laws are Hispanic 1st gen illegal (now legal)border crossers who vote republican. I love them, but they can't see past the one ticket item.

[-] DharkStare@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I'll never forget the news article about one woman who was married to an illegal immigrant, voted for Trump, and was shocked when her husband was deported.

[-] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Lots of immigrants from catholic countries that lean conservative. One of the biggest qanon nuts I knew was Hispanic.

[-] dudewitbow@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Census actually does count any undocumented immigrants. I believe the requirement is that they live in a typical home.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

It was supposed to. But I doubt the last one was very concerned about it, considering what trump was doing.

They were also very not concerned about accurate accounting of minorities, etc, either

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Which actually hurt red states. See, the number of representatives is based on total population, both citizen and non-citizen. So when it came time to reapportion congress, the undercounted data was used, because it was the official data.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Depends. Sanctuary states have a lot of undocumented as well. Those are universally blue.

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

And census takers counted as many people as possible in those blue states.

Red states said fuck it, don't count any non-citizens.

And red states suffered from their racist policy in the re-apportionment.

It's a classic story that's repeated over and over again. Racists put in place a racist policy to appease their racist supporters, and that racist policy hurts them.

Look at Florida, where republican racists put in place a policy to punish anyone who works with undocumented migrant workers, and now, no one is picking Florida produce because the migrants went elsewhere.

Whereas, blue states are open and accepting (for the most part) and offer help obtaining paperwork and even help navigating the citizenship process.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The census was a federal campaign. The states had nothing to do with it, it was administrated by the Feds.

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

States had nothing to do with it except supply local workers and resources for said workers, and then republicans made noises about using it to track down and deport undocumented migrants, especially in places like Texas and Florida.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

the "States" didn't "supply" jack shit. The program wasn't run by the states. the census takers and everyone else weren't state employees. they were federal employees.

yeah. sure, they were hired locally. That means jack shit. this is like saying that New York manages the FBI because the current director happens to be from there. People were hired and are employed by the Census Bureau. the resorces for taking the census was funded and supplied by the Census Bureau. the policies of census taking -and indeed, using it to out undocumented immigrants- were established and managed by the Census Bureau.

and lets not forget the threat to undocumented immigrants was meant to bypass sanctuary states not cooperating with ICE. it may have lead to undercounting in red states, but there is way more documented cases of under counting in blue states, simply because of the failure to adequately allocate resources in blue states. which is why those blue states are going through the courts to have the census overturned.

[-] TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Usually, but they tried hard not to count them during the last census. We really should redo the census now that Covid is less of an issue and try to get an accurate count.

[-] yool_ooloo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Countdown to a certain segment of white Americans saying they are the oppressed minority, need their guns to fend off the 'colored majority,' and need food stamps.... (I think this is already happening with some religious groups) (I'm white - but I do not hold these beliefs!)

[-] Kaleunt17@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If you do it like Putin, you could say these parts of the US belong, historically speaking, to Mexico anyway.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

If only they would vote more...

[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago

Latinos are not in any way a political monolith, and taking them as such is both reductive and a little racist.

Just ask the Cubans in Miami-Dade county.

[-] LexiconDrexicon@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

Same with us Black people, we're not a monolith either. I know many right-wing black people. 80% of us Black Americans self-identify as Christian for instance, so criticism of Christianity really doesn't sit well at all within black communities

[-] zaph@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately they typically vote against their own interests and go republican. Of all the Mexican friends I've had I can only remember one not being conservative even though she comes from a conservative background.

[-] Infinity187@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

It's almost like it's a quasi form of Stockholm syndrome.

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