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[-] player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 122 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

In 2016, the blue team won by 3 million votes and still lost the election. The system is broken. I'll still vote blue, but I don't think it will matter, especially since I'm not in a swing state.

The Electoral College Explained

[-] errer@lemmy.world 55 points 4 months ago

Matters for your more local elections. Those swing states still send a lot of republicans to Congress every election. And control of Congress is pretty damn important.

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[-] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 74 points 4 months ago

It's entirely the Democratic Party's fault if Trump wins another term. But their online cheerleaders are so keen to blame Communists who are such a miniscule percentage of the voting population. Are you going to start Muslim-bashing as well if they don't turn out in huge numbers to vote for Joenicide?

The sole "Trump will be worse" pitch and constant hostility is absolutely pathetic, and not an election winning strategy. Even your own party leadership knows it. The disconnect between the actual party and it's online supporters is huge.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

Chips act, green energy, union empowerment, student debt, marijuana reform, etc etc etc. Anyone that says Biden isn’t doing anything is wilfully ignorant.

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[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 64 points 4 months ago

Reductive. Neoliberalism protects and foments fascism as we ratchet a little further to the right each election cycle.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 45 points 4 months ago

Even if we assume for the sake of the argument that your ridiculous assertion is true, "Let's do fascism faster" is exactly the kind of bootlicking take I would expect from a tankie.

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Never said I was a tankie bruh. A party that bases itself on a slightly more gentle fascism isn't the cart we should be attaching ourselves to.

It will never ever be the right election for y'all liberal centrists who shit post on left folks. It is always the next one. Point is, if we want to be rid of this fucking fascist shit, we have to build solidarity with the left.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

Never said I was a tankie bruh.

Didn't realize that I wasn't allowed to point out tankie behavior like "Faster fascism Good, Actually" unless the poster self-identified, thank you for the information.

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

Thank you for your inability to listen to reason.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago

"Reason" here being "Make fascism happen faster"

Forgive me for not finding that a terribly compelling argument.

[-] BossDj@lemm.ee 28 points 4 months ago

Idealism is fun, but it's so very extremely privileged.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Idealism is great when you use it to fight for a better world.

Idealism is privileged when you use it to deny any reduction in harm as not being 'good enough' to permit.

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[-] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 32 points 4 months ago

The reason why the rachet turns further to the right each election cycle is because non-conservatives in the US have an abysmal voter turnout.

Neoliberalism is the product of leftists deciding not to vote because there's no "good" option, and leftists will perpetuate this cycle by refusing to acknowledge incremental progress as a good thing.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

If only there was a way to increase voter turnout, like giving voters what they want... nah, that'd make too much sense. The democrats are too smart to give people what they want.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 62 points 4 months ago

DNC and DNC shills expecting free votes because they're democratically funding a genocide instead of fascistly funding a genocide

You morons in November when Trump inevitably wins due to horrendous voter turnout in November from former Democrat voters and not because the 5 communists in the USA made the difference

It's like a copy paste of Trump v Clinton and clearly no one learned their lesson from literally 8 years ago.

[-] pachrist@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

Fielding bad candidates because you can't be bothered to do the bare minimum has been a thing forever. As a friendly reminder, the thing that scared the DNC and RNC the most in my lifetime wasn't Trump, 9/11, or anything like that. It was Ross Perot.

They'd both burn everything rather than let anyone else play the game.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 55 points 4 months ago

And then they ask "wHy dO tHe dEms mOvE tO tHe CenTrE wHeN tHeY lOsE i dOn'T uNdErsTanD".

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 31 points 4 months ago

Intentional misinterpretation.

Democrats spend more time attacking the left than they EVER have Republicans, because their platforms are 95% the same. You don't get to insult half your base, tell them their priorities are bullshit baby dreams, move further right from your already mid right position, then blame those people for your loss.

By telling leftists to eat shit, you're saying you don't need leftists to win. If leftists are the single cause behind every dem loss then its probably time to change your platform to cater to leftists (or just admit that you're fascists that'll take the red fascism instead of the blue fascism before you shift left even a little bit.)

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[-] OptiMoose@lemmy.cafe 31 points 4 months ago

SURELY the DNC will listen if they don't vote, don't run, and don't donate, but post a genocide Joe meme from their phone also made available by genocide while wearing clothes manufactured by a genocidal state on land acquired from an ethnic cleansing. That's the morally upstanding thing to do.

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 months ago

I think that's been a proven case for European parliamentary democracies giving way to right wing and fascist parties. But that's more the reverse: the liberal and center-left move center and then lose.

But US politics doesn't have much leftist policy to shed, or many leftist politicians to exoricate, so it is more that even when Democrats win, policy stays right of center. Which is where the frustrated remark "both parties are the same" comes from, which everyone also shits on.

Since you know, the centre right continually stretches further right like a rubber band.

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[-] AshMan85@lemmy.world 54 points 4 months ago

OP does not know what a tankie is.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 69 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

An authoritarian self-proclaimed 'leftist' who loudly decries anything that's not 100% in-line with their desires as 'shitlib' policy that must be opposed even at the cost of ushering in actual fascism. This actual fascism is also often described by tankies as 'not that bad' or 'the exact same' as the 'shitlib' policies they oppose. Dissenters are inevitably reactionaries who must be (often literally) crushed, as they don't reflect the TRUE will of the people (ie whatever the opinion of the tankie is).

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

As opposed to the liberals who decry anything to their left as tanky?

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 51 points 4 months ago

Oh wow now they're Trump supporters and Communists? LMAO

This is getting ridiculous.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You're absolutely right, it IS ridiculous how many supposedly left-leaning people are willing and even eager to see a Trump presidency to 'get one over on the shitlibs'.

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[-] DrownedRats@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago

"I would fight fascism to my last breath" "I would be part of the resistance movement if a fascist government took power"

proceeds to do none of the un-sexy things needed to prevent fascism from taking hold in the first place

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[-] cygon@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I wonder what their idea of the outcome is.

Tankie: "I convinced 20 Democratic Party voters to stay at home (and did the same for 0 Republican Party voters). Wait until Democratic politicians see that more voters favored the far right party. Then they're going to move left and fall on their knees and beg me to forgive them."

(Cue scene: swastika-adorned tanks rolling past the window)

"Stupid liberals, unwilling to fight the fascists like us true leftists." (Watches tanks and twiddles thumbs.) (Fetches keyboard.) "Let's tell everyone online that it's their own fault and they deserve this." (Sudden sound of harsh knocking on front door.)

At best, their actions will "only" cause another grid-locked presidency where progressives can't get their reforms to pass (which will then be used as the reason to abandon the likely last line of non-violent defense against fascists).

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[-] franklin@lemmy.world 45 points 4 months ago

If anyone actually wants to stop the genocide in Gaza please vote out your republican congressman, almost every Republican congressman supported the resolution to restart weapons shipments and almost every democrat voted against it.

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[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago

I can't believe France wom that election

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[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 37 points 4 months ago

Why is the the voters obligation to vote for shitty candidates rather than in the candidates to earn the vote? Biden is looking at a close race and the majority of voters want a cease fire.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago

Why is the the voters obligation to vote for shitty candidates rather than in the candidates to earn the vote?

It's our obligation as voters, as people entrusted with political power, to do what we can to steer our polity towards the least destructive and immoral path that we can.

"JOE BIBEN HASN'T EARNED MY VOTE" doesn't mean jack fucking shit. The point of a citizen's duty is not to suck off the right people - it's to protect one's fellow citizens, and ideally, members of other polities as well.

Voting isn't a fucking judgement of who's moral enough to go to democracy fucking heaven - voting is a judgement of who is least objectionable in steering the future of the polity - including considering the likelihood of success.

Sorry that using political power responsibly is such a foreign concept to you.

Biden is looking at a close race and the majority of voters want a cease fire.

The majority of voters want a cease-fire. You want to tell me what the majority of voters want the US to do to achieve a ceasefire?

Most US voters are not in favor of more stringent terms than what Biden has already proposed.

This idea that the US electorate is as left as the Fediverse is just... fucking bizarre.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You dont get those changes by just blindly voting against the Republicans. You have to actually pressure your candidates into supporting what you want. Companies and lobbiests are able to do this with giant sacks of cash. Normal people do it by protesting and making demands of their officials to force a response. Showing nothing but contempt for anti-war protests is always a bad look for a president running for reelection.

Biden has all the leverage on Israel to make them stop the killing. He can threaten to pull military aid, send in US forces to distribute humanitarian aid, or put sanctions on Israel. All of those would stop the killing, making people angry at the US response willing to vote for Biden, paving a path for his re-election. Why are you so against him forcing Israel to stop the genocide if it is his only path to victory?

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[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 37 points 4 months ago

lol we already have fascism. They’re crushing antiwar protests, the media is in lockstep, labor demonstrations have been broken and they’re pissing away the cost of healthcare, free college and any number of other benefits on supplying a genocide.

I’m never gonna vote for Biden again and if you don’t want to either, consider voting for the party for socialism and liberation.

You don’t have to support the genocide.

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[-] blazera@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago

Hmmm, today i will attack any attempts to run a better candidate against trump

[-] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 39 points 4 months ago

The US system doesn’t work that way. You have a choice between two people. A vote for a third party is a vote not counted.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago

Maybe the US system doesn't work that way because people keep screaming at everyone who doesn't vote for their one party vs the only other. It's really odd to claim that your vote matters and then yell at anyone who tries to do anything with their vote other than to guarantee their vote for one of two parties. If the argument is to preserve democracy, well, it already looks like we don't have democracy.

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[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago

So how is the whole "blame-leftists-for-the-abysmal-failure-of-our-fake-democracy" gaslighting project going?

It seems a bit laggy.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Oh, the massive hypocrisy of Biden refusing to swallow his Zionist principles and stop their Genocide, whilst at the same time sending his tribe's peons around to try and convince millions of people to swallow their Humanist principles and vote for a guy who supports Genocide.

Biden could pretty much guarantee a win tomorrow by announcing that it has been determined that Israel is indeed committing war crimes, followed by cutting support for them as per the Law when the recipient of help is committing such crimes, ideally followed by sanctions.

Yet he doesn't and instead there's a clear propaganda op with repeated variations of the claim that "Not being for Biden is being for Trump" (which, curiously, is just the authoritarianist argument "those who are not with us are agains us").

Why does the supposedly elected representative of all Americans firmly refuse to follow Americans as they turned against the Zionist Genocide and instead acts like all dictators by doing what he himself wants disregarding the will of those he is supposed to represent?

The argument of this and other similar posts which have innundated Lemmy would be a lot stronger if Biden wasn't an example of doing the exact opposite of what these posts demand from others, both the part of doing whatever it takes to stop Trump (which, as I explained above. Biden is not) and swallowing one's principles to stop something worse (i.e. Biden stopping acting as a Zionist in order to secure the votes to guarantee that Trump is stopped).

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[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 27 points 4 months ago

Winner: Democrat - "still fascism but its blue so its OK"

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[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Try to think beyond your adorable little "protest vote" when your choices are between boring corporatists and 100% concentrated evil. Or you may never have to worry about voting ever again.

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

They often help fascists in the doxxing and smear campaign of more libertarian leftists, as an example.

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 months ago

Ah the daily fascism discourse multiplier thread. There's never any meaningful discourse that comes out of these: just divisive kafkaesque noise.

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[-] blackstampede@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 months ago

Not a communist, but I think I will vote for the person who most represents my values and policies this year.

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