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https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.10002

Abstract (emphasis mine):

The concept of a 'Ballmer Peak' was first proposed in 2007, postulating that there exists a very specific blood alcohol content which confers superhuman programming ability. More generally, there is a commonly held belief among software engineers that coding is easier and more productive after a few drinks. Using the industry standard for assessment of coding ability, we conducted a search for such a peak and more generally investigated the effect of different amounts of alcohol on performance. We conclusively refute the existence of a specific peak with large magnitude, but with p < 0.001 find that there was a significant positive effect to a low amount of alcohol - slightly less than two drinks - on programming ability.

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[-] Im_old@lemmy.world 67 points 10 months ago
[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 54 points 10 months ago

The concept of a 'Ballmer Peak' was first proposed in 2007

where do you thnk it was proposed?

[-] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 39 points 10 months ago

I'd argue that this is for the XKCD, not the other way around.

[-] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 8 points 10 months ago

Posted Oct. 1 2007.

"first proposed in 2007"

I wonder if Randall has seen this?

[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Lol that is Fig 1. In the paper :)

[-] katja 30 points 10 months ago

I've found that the best way to utilize alcohol when programming is to code sober and comment drunk. It's a wonderful way to make commenting both fun to write and to read later.

I have tried coding under the influence, but I can't do it. Even small amounts of alcohol makes it really hard to do anything complex. But if it works for you, good on ya.

[-] Affidavit@aussie.zone 9 points 10 months ago

Also works for customer service. Have a ridiculously minor issue that really doesn't matter but still irks a small part of you and you're too much of a wimp to speak up about? Check your sent folder in the morning after a night of drinking.

Protip: support@company.com.

[-] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago

I did some of my best problem solving on Vicodin.

Two beers and I'm fully functional.

[-] fubarx@lemmy.ml 26 points 10 months ago
[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Knew a guy in university that looked like a young Prince Charles that would pop half a tab of LSD whenever he ran into an issue he couldn't solve. Somehow that worked.

This was in the late 90s early 00s, well before Randall made the comic about The Ballmer Peak

[-] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Microdosing LSD is a common thing nowadays in the tech world. It definitely increases your creativity and mental energy, so it makes sense. Your friend was probably ahead of the curve. I'm not sure if the idea was as popular back then.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

The rest of use were tending towards macro dosing. He may have known about it, but he didn't really talk about it that much. Certainly wasn't encouraging other to try it.

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[-] Kit 19 points 10 months ago

I once worked in IT for an MSP that kept beer on tap in the office for this exact reason. Techs were encouraged to have a beer or two when stumped on an issue. It worked surprisingly well.

This did result in a few years of struggling with alcohol issues tho.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 19 points 10 months ago

#1544 - I can no longer code without drinking at least 3 glasses of beer, am I becoming an alcoholic? - [Duplicate] [Won't fix]

[-] peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 15 points 10 months ago

The idea that drinking helps has been around a lot longer than 2007. Since basically the discovery of alcohol. Yes, it can help with nerves a little bit, but none of your skills are improved, and most are impaired.

[-] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 9 points 10 months ago

Maybe it depends upon the person.
I have difficulty programming properly while listening to music so maybe I'd find it hard to do so with alcohol too.

In my case, it's probably because I tend to keep as much of the context as possible into my current memory, which gets reduced if I'm distracted by sounds (whether music or noise). The ADHD Relief music tracks tend to work well though, since they aren't very distracting and help get rid of other peoples' noise.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago

Alcohol is considered a performance-enhancing drug in darts.

For programming, it works the same way as playing music: your focus narrows. Your brain can't do other stuff, either because it's busy moving your neck in time with Meshuggah, or because it's been lightly poisoned by delicious ethanol.

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

This also works for pool. Don't ask me how I know.

[-] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

In my experience I can write more code after a few drinks. However I usually find that the code is of low quality when I check it the next day…

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Really? I've written code so advanced while drunk that I couldn't even understand it the next day, but it did what it was supposed to do and solved complex issues.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I have written brilliant code while drunk that I didn't understand the next day. I doubt I could have even solved the problem sober.

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

This applies to a lot of physical activities as well. I have a friend who's a really good bowler, and every one of his 300 games (perfect score for you non-bowlers) has been when he's had exactly 2 drinks. He can't do it with less because he gets too nervous - and more means he gets too sloppy and loses his edge.

We joke and call beer "bowling juice".

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I've also found another peak somewhere after 6, I lost count. I couldn't stand straight but I went like 34 kills to 6 deaths in a vr shooter.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

I think this may be true for many things.

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[-] hannes3120@feddit.de 6 points 10 months ago

Surely that's work worthy of an IG Nobel prize?

[-] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

The Unity office in Bellevue used to have beer on tap in the cafeteria. Idk if it still does what with all the fuckery going on... Maybe one day I'll actually go into the office and I can report back

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

If you walk around Microsoft's office buildings, you'll see several people's personal offices with full bars in them.

[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

Apparently Mr. Ballmer is a real programmer at Microsoft. Even better, he was still working at Microsoft in 2007 when the comic came out, but retired a few years later.

[-] jesuiscequejesuis@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

He was the CEO at the time, and I don't know that he was ever involved with writing any code.

[-] SharpieThunderflare@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago

But he loved those DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!

[-] frankgrimeszz@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I tried coding while 420 once. Could not think straight.

[-] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 4 points 10 months ago

Use your time travel abilities more wisely friend.

[-] JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

I can imagine being that old would make it difficult to think straight, tbh. What's your secret?

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