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[-] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 91 points 6 months ago

I mean it's not terrible advice. Alleegies or not, local honey is generally delicious.

[-] Rooskie91@discuss.online 32 points 6 months ago
[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 17 points 6 months ago

Likely because honey has anti-inflammatory properties.

The local honey myth is about using the honey as a form of allergy immunotherapy since it would be from local pollen.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 5 points 6 months ago

I thought it would work until I realized I've been exposing myself to pollen every damn year as it is. If my body was ever going to get used to it then it would have already lol

Now I just keep eating the honey because it's honey, why not? Lol

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[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 months ago

50 - 80g of honey a day?! Allergies are gone hello diabetes!

Seriously 1g honey to 1kg of body mass is insane. This is obviously ignoring the cost which is also insane.

[-] Smoogs@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Yay allergies solved. New problem: diabetes.

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[-] sebinspace@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

Picked up spicy peach honey. Was delicious.

Then the habaneros came a-knocking.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 17 points 6 months ago

Where did them bees find spicy peaches? 🤔

[-] sebinspace@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Oh man, Poe’s Law is not doing you any favors right now..

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 5 points 6 months ago

That's why I hate using "/s." It's more fun when you have to figure it out. :P

[-] DogEatWaffle@startrek.website 54 points 6 months ago
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[-] PaintedSnail@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

I'm not your Mary Tyler Moore.

[-] gbzm@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm not your Holly, Hunter

[-] figjam@midwest.social 3 points 6 months ago

I'm not your Hunter, Biden

[-] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

But I like chain restaurants. And don't call me "honey".

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[-] solarvector@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 6 months ago

Same idea as immunotherapy shots or sublingual drops.

Whether it's actually local, and if the allergens are actually concentrated enough to make any difference, is a very different question. Set of questions.

[-] Burninator05@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Don't forget this one: Is it actually honey? Honey flavored corn syrup doesn't help.

[-] Scrath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 6 months ago

I'm guessing this is a US thing? At least I've never heard of it before as a european and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be allowed to be sold as honey here

[-] DarkSirrush@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 months ago

Yeah, us Canadians have to check the label to make sure the honey is Canadian, otherwise its usually 50% corn syrup.

Another easy tell is if you don't mix it for a couple months it splits, and all the corn syrup floats to the top.

[-] EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

American here ... we're really sorry. We don't like it neither; but the corporations, you see? they need their profits.

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

Another American here … I have literally never seen honey that’s been stepped on.

What brands do this?

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[-] fristislurper@feddit.nl 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Also very much a problem in Europe sadly. Of course not allowed, but pretty hard to detect. There are test that can tell the difference, but they are not accepted by the EU (yet?).

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 6 months ago

i mean this is solved by not buying imported honey, even here in sweden i can just go on a walk around the area and find at least one person selling honey from their backyard at a perfectly resonable price, so i don't see the point in buying imported unless you're a colony of bees in a trenchcoat and need it to survive.

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[-] ech@lemm.ee 16 points 6 months ago

They said local honey, not factory made junk.

[-] Bonehead@kbin.social 8 points 6 months ago

I would hope the roadside stand in front of the apiary has real honey and not corn syrup. But you never know...

[-] AbsurdityAccelerator@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Excuse me? Immunology shots are freaking amazing. I've been on them for about 2 years and the difference between last spring and this sptirng is incredible. I no longer need Allegra daily.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I think he meant for honey. The shots are very specifically concentrated lol.

Even then honey has some anti inflammatory effect that can help regardless of the added benefit of bee pollen

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 16 points 6 months ago

Pollution makes my hayfever so much fucking worse.

Walking down the river, trees, grass, weeds everywhere. Fine.

Walk to work down busy A-roads, eyes and nose streaming.

Fuck cars.

[-] Resonosity@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Definitely a shitpost, but please consider other treatments for allergies than honey. Honey bees are domesticated and have a net negative on local environments where they aren't native, such as North America. And rearing honey bees is not vegan, for those who care about pollinator welfare on both the domesticated and natural sides.

[-] Aoife 5 points 6 months ago

alright we doin this okay so most small-time beekepers at least (can't speak for the larger industrial ones) only rarely resort to providing sugar as a substitute for honey because bees massively overprodice it. Also, the lack of micronutrients is not supported by any literature I can find, and additionally sugar substitution should only occur during the winter regardless. Finally: if bees are being exploited they will just leave. Everything I've found indicates that under poor conditions the entire hive will swarm and just go somewhere else. I do think the point about impacting biodiversity is valid, but if that were a decider for whether a food source is vegan there would be a whole lot fewer crops on that list.

[-] Resonosity@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

My dad is a beekeeper, so I can pretty much confirm what you're saying about sugar bricks/syrup in the winter. And actually there is some evidence online saying that beekeepers should keep honey in the hives.

As for migration, many wild bees hibernate, in-place over the winter, and the research regarding wild honey bees, although sparse, seems to suggest the same. Having bees stay in the same hive over the winter isn't necessarily unnatural.

On the swarming point, beekeepers try to observe and look out for specific signs of swarming in order to prevent this from happening. And if swarming does happen, beekeepers can set up swarm traps. My dad has done this in the past, and he has had some success.

The point about all of the above though is that beekeepers 1) intentionally rob the bees of the work (i.e. honey creation) they've contributed to over the course of the spring/summer/fall nectar flows, and 2) intentionally try to trap hives that want to escape due to a lack of good conditions - both immoral acts imo.

And the biodiversity impacts don't just affect food sources. Honey bees in such high populations that even modest beekeeping operations sustain overcrowd the native populations, capitalizing on nectar resources first, and risk native populations via virus and disease spillover. Native plants often have adapted along with native bees over time such that both species receive/perform pollination activities to 100% effectiveness. Honey bees are generalists, and so while they may pollinate more plants, they may only do so to 75% effectiveness or less (just throwing a number out there). So, plants get pollinated to lesser degrees with honey bees, and the leftover nectar for native bees often isn't enough to sustain populations meaningfully.

This is why when people say save the bees, the actual message of the campaign is geared towards native bees - not honey bees. There are capitalistic interests involved in keeping honey bees populations healthy and high to the detriment of local environments.

[-] K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago

Shits gonna get even more complicated when we prove they have a conscience

[-] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

I see lots of competing discussion on whether this is a bs wives tale or not.

[-] jws_shadotak@sh.itjust.works 31 points 6 months ago

Its enough of an excuse to eat more delicious honey though

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 18 points 6 months ago

The things you are alleegic to aren't the things bees are making honey out of. We mostly have allergies to things that are broadcast spwaning obscene amounts their pollen like ragweed, mold, and grass, while bees use flowering plants to make their honey.

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[-] dumples@kbin.social 3 points 6 months ago

The hypothesis is that you are eating all of the flower allergens that are causing your allergies. The body usually doesn't react to things you eat so by consuming those allergens your body does have an immune response since it's part of food.

[-] flicker@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

This is a fine point because I have oral allergy syndrome, which is my body violently reacting to bananas because of my ragweed allergy and my immune system being dumb as hell.

But also o do react less to flower pollen with a spoon of local honey a day so maybe it's just a big weird world we live in.

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