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submitted 2 years ago by VerbFlow@lemmy.world to c/fuck_ai@lemmy.world

I want to apologize for changing the description without telling people first. After reading arguments about how AI has been so overhyped, I'm not that frightened by it. It's awful that it hallucinates, and that it just spews garbage onto YouTube and Facebook, but it won't completely upend society. I'll have articles abound on AI hype, because they're quite funny, and gives me a sense of ease knowing that, despite blatant lies being easy to tell, it's way harder to fake actual evidence.

I also want to factor in people who think that there's nothing anyone can do. I've come to realize that there might not be a way to attack OpenAI, MidJourney, or Stable Diffusion. These people, which I will call Doomers from an AIHWOS article, are perfectly welcome here. You can certainly come along and read the AI Hype Wall Of Shame, or the diminishing returns of Deep Learning. Maybe one can even become a Mod!

Boosters, or people who heavily use AI and see it as a source of good, ARE NOT ALLOWED HERE! I've seen Boosters dox, threaten, and harass artists over on Reddit and Twitter, and they constantly champion artists losing their jobs. They go against the very purpose of this community. If I hear a comment on here saying that AI is "making things good" or cheering on putting anyone out of a job, and the commenter does not retract their statement, said commenter will be permanently banned. FA&FO.

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[-] CriticalMedicine@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago

I'm glad to be here. Fuck AI

[-] CriticalMedicine@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago

Fuck AI. I'm still learning lemmy.

[-] VerbFlow@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

Original Desc: A place for all those who loathe machine-learning and its endorsement – and to document the knaves behind this dismal industry. Proud supporter of human artists. And proud booer of SXSW 2024.

[-] Soluna 20 points 2 years ago

I do want to understand, I am no "booster" by any means and I think on the whole AI is being used in some abhorrent ways, but I don't think the technology is the problem I think the problem is it's use to steal art and by corporations to cut people out of the picture, and I do think there are some beneficial applications of AI and that it is not unilaterally negative or evil. Just being used in a lot of shitty evil ways right now. Does that mean I am unwelcome here? Genuinely asking.

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah, definitely, the problem is we live in a culture where “but we might make money off it!” trumps every legal and ethical consideration. I'd say LLMs (AI does not exist) have their legitimate uses, too.

[-] gadfly1999@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

I’ll say that while it is a problem that LLM are plagiarism machines at industrial scales, It’s also a problem that it would create the same carbon emissions as NYC produces in a month to make them plagiarize 3-5% better.

[-] VerbFlow@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Eh, you're welcome here.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have a question about if I'm allowed to be here. Here's my stance:

  • As a CS person, I find the algorithms that run AI intellectually interesting.
  • The way AI is being used as a society, to put people out of work and replace human-made work with slop, is very very bad. (I support the sag-aftra strikers.)
  • I think it's especially bad that artists are being put out of work, and that big companies think that copyright should protect mickey mouse and not starving artists. This is where most of my "fuck AI" drive comes from.
  • I think AI could in the future be made to not be slop, with some future new algorithms, but we're not there yet. It's not theoretically impossible or anything though. Doomer opinion: if AI actually becomes as powerful as the boosters say it will be, then it could be an x-risk for humanity. I'm not saying that to make AI sound really impressive, I just think we need to be cautious about it.
  • Currently, LLMs are sometimes useful, but only in the right context and when used properly. For instance, AI is pretty good at NLP. It's also useful for explaining opaque C++ error messages. It's not useful for ghiblification or summarizing search results or whatever it is Altman is trying to peddle. It might be able to help with protein folding and other pharmaceutical research.
  • The biggest reason that AI is bad is because capitalism is bad. Without capitalism, we could focus on the actually good uses of AI.
[-] astutemural@midwest.social 3 points 7 months ago

Not the mod, but IMO anyone who has a rational outlook on AI is fine. That is, it's a technology that has some use cases for some problems, mostly involving neural net stuff that the average person will probably never interact with.

The problem people are the ones who insist that it will 'revolutionize society', that the well-documented errors of the tech are overblown, that it's not currently in a bubble, that it's not being used in utterly unethical ways that nobody asked for, that AGI is just around the corner, etc.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Personally, I have P(AGI within 10 years) around 15%. I think anyone who is saying definitely no or definitely yes to AGI within this time frame is vastly overconfident in their understanding of the technology, one way or the other. Or they vastly underestimate the utility of bullshit. Of course, I also have P(doom|AGI) probably around 40-70%.

[-] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

based take 👍

[-] Twipped@l.twipped.social 16 points 1 year ago

LOL, they think twitter artists make art for money. Dumbass! cries

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I literally gotten threatened to be doxxed (and physical harm) the other day in a thread I made that was negative about AI.

[-] VerbFlow@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Welcome to the club.

[-] Emmie@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Fuck AI but imo community names are good to be little more productive. We will just circlejerk here hard lol which is not like bad in itself but hella boooring.

Gimme a good debate with the ai bros I can watch on sidelines as smarter than me make arguments. Just warn/ban em if they are disrespectful

But maybe that’s the purpose of whole rest of the tech comms…

[-] VerbFlow@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

The types of places they're on are the mainstream sites (Reddit & Twitter), and I don't want to go there unless I have to. I honestly think a big part of the push for AI isn't popularity at all. Nobody really likes it that much. It's purely oligarchs who try to make their product look good to investors, and who see it as a way to replace human workers immensely easily. I'm unsure where the cryptocurrency-using techbros come from, tho. Maybe they're bot accounts held by very few people.

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Lots of people love AI lol you artbros are delusional.

Even here on Lemmy there's an absolute crapton of FOSS AI fans and communities like !stable_diffusion_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com not to mention this being the home of the AI Horde.

Reject ludditism, embrace the solarpunk high tech future.

[-] rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

What is solarpunk about AI? 😂😂

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 19 points 2 years ago

Ah yes, the solarpunk high tech happy-for-everyone future in which artists no longer have jobs and are forced to do something they hate doing because otherwise they won't eat.

[-] ZDL@lazysoci.al 6 points 10 months ago

Tell me that you don't understand who the Luddites were nor what solarpunk means without saying it straight out.

Reject ludditism, embrace the solarpunk high tech future.

Ooh! Well done, Sparky!

[-] dickalan@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Shut the fuck up, A LLM will only return results It’s masters have deemed sufficient to go into public knowledge, it’s crazy how easy you’re to be controlled in the future if not already, fucking punk ass bitch.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 points 9 months ago

I don't understand the glee with taking job from people by stealing their data. Those people deserve better.

[-] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

They see artists as snobs and elites. People they can't match up to with their own skills that are freaking out when someone invents a machine that can do art 'better' (faster with less effort regardless of quality) than them.

That's why they'll always talk about how AI "democratizes art" or "makes art available to the masses", because they see artists who have put a lot of time and effort into their craft not as just highly skilled and well-trained/taught individuals, but as elitists that don't want them to have the same opportunities.

To them, AI slop becoming more common isn't just a consequence of AI being cheap even if the outputs are garbage, it's 'the market' deciding that artists just aren't valued anymore, and that they're finally taking down the elites that have held art captive for so long.

When you see it from that perspective, it's no wonder they jump for joy when artists complain about AI and lose their jobs.

[-] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

I straight up would've replied with "kys" and the Low Tier God meme if someone sent that to me LMAO

[-] convectionfusion@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

but it won’t completely upend society.

it is upending society. we're re-engineering our entire energy infrastructure around it. pft.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/america-s-biggest-power-grid-operator-has-an-ai-problem-too-many-data-centers/ar-AA1U5ux8

[-] RetroHax@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

Peak Post! :D
ALso yea i 100% agree! >:D
I personally really do not understand the reason as to why People are so Happy about GenAI like WTF?! >.>
The only Thing i see in LLMs is the use for Translations and Scientific Stuff for Language Helping SUpport and such Cases where it actually makes Sense as a Tool :P
But GenAI as a whole where it just shits out a bunch of NonSense and calls it "Good XYZ Thing" is just ugh -.-

[-] Droopy@programming.dev 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Can I join the antiAI taliban? lalalalallalalal joking not joking lalalalalalal fuck israel and AI ... boost dez nuts not AI Slop. No means no christofash_fartcoin_Techbro

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