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[-] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 27 points 6 months ago

to be fair, while the microwave might be collecting your info, it isn't shaping your children.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 months ago

the capitalist hellscape your children are living in is what's actually shaping them

[-] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 months ago

I dunno, one kid from down the street near me looks pretty rectangular.

[-] Reawake9179@lemmy.kde.social 4 points 6 months ago

As if the data just lays somewhere and just get collected, obviously it is sold to the highest bidder which knows what to do with it

[-] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 3 points 6 months ago

don't get me wrong, I don't mean to minimize that side, I just think there's a fair argument to be made that direct control of peoples eyeballs are potentially, comparatively, much more powerful.

[-] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

i assume u are down for banning all other capitalist controlled social media platforms too then?

[-] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

Well if you put it like that... Yes

[-] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 26 points 6 months ago

You forgot to label the hat and shirt as also made in China.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago
[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 19 points 6 months ago

You think the problem with tiktok was that it was simply made in China?

Not the fact that it collected vast amount of data from everyone?

And here's a friendly reminder that Lenovo has had their very fair share of problems regarding security and data collection too.

[-] ShadowCat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 6 months ago

collecting vast amount of data ? facebook does that too and instagram and google and who knows what else

[-] rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago

Yes, we should ban all those, too. Or just enforce EU style privacy laws in America.

[-] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

crazy i wonder why the infinity racists amerikkkans decided to start with the platform that is mildly associated with china. surely it has nothing to do with their with the fact that they are most racists people on earth.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago

Yes. But the US can control US based companies, and create laws regarding how that data is used. They can't control a chineese one.

Do you understand how the US government might think it's a problem that foreign countries get access to every step their citizens take?

[-] devraza@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

But the US can control US based companies, and create laws regarding how that data is used

Does that matter if they don't create said laws - since they're equally interested in their citizens data as facebook, google, etc. are?

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago

It does matter. Because the US can do it if they decide to. They have significant power over companies based in their country.

They do not have significant power over companies NOT based in their country.

[-] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

us gov IS controlled by us corps they banned tiktok to get rid of competition. with the ever green excuse in amerikkkan politics of appealing to racism

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

Sure buddy. And 9/11 was an inside job and airplanes are spreading chem-trails to control the population and weather too.

[-] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

imagine thinking the amerikkkan politicians dont serve corporations.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

Serving and being controlled are two different things. Make up your mind. Which is is it?

[-] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago
[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

No. You can serve without being controlled. And you can be controlled without serving.

The waitress is serving me but they're not being controlled. It's something they choose to do.

And you can be controlled in what you say and so, without serving. E.g. a prisoner.

So no. They're not the same.

[-] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

that is meaningless semantics. both words have multiple meanings, when i said politicians serve corporations i meant that they are ultimately subservient to them because they get paid by them and their live style is contingent on this servitude and that is a system of control in this context both words refer to the same thing.

in the example of the waitress she is being controlled when u call them or tell them to get u a certain food u are controlling their actions control doesn't have to be absolute and it doent have to be forced.

a better example would be a social worker who helps people aka serves them but does not respond to them and are not controlled by the people they serve.

in the example of a prisoner there is control but no servitude sure, but it is trivial to think of an example where there is control and servitude like a serf, u know cuz world have different meaning and all.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 months ago

So it works exactly like every other social media app, but made in... China?

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago

But the data is sent to China for them to analyze and create models of citizen movement, influencing forgein citizens by deciding what content they see.

Yes. A government is ok with tracking their own citizens. But don't want other governments to track their citizens.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago

and now you understand how the rest of the world feels about US media

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm not American. Nor would I pretend to know how "the rest of the world" feels or speak for all of them.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago

Where did I suggest you were an American?

[-] AsterixTheGoth@lemmy.ml 19 points 6 months ago

The thing I find interesting about this image is that it oversimplifies the argument (like all internet politics), but contains the definition of the root of the problem from the side opposite that which the author is on.

See we live in a world where our livelihoods are based on us having things to do for income. Maybe someday a fantasy utopia will get built where everybody lives a life of leisure and can spend all their time focusing on what they wish to, but right now that doesn't exist. So when everything is Made in China that means nothing is made anywhere else which means opportunities for work are reduced everywhere else. This is especially painful for people whose parents were well off because of the industry in the town they lived, only to lose those opportunities because the work went to China.

Now add to that the differences in approach between geopolitical Western and Eastern governments and you have the current argument.

Tik-tok is in the crosshairs because it's convenient. Western Governments, most particularly the US, like to talk up the Free Market. Woo, Free Market, no government interference yeah! So just reaching out and legislating trade or manufacturing flies in the face of their ideology (not to mention that their campaign contributions might dry up if they piss off the oligarchs who are making big bank by manufacturing in foreign lands). Tik-Tok however, is perfectly situated. It's run by foreigners who don't fund political campaigns, and it has a practice that is politically palatable to oppose: Collecting data about Americans and storing that data within the reach of an ideologically different government.

[-] whoreticulture 1 points 6 months ago

See we live in a world where

blah blah blah you don't have to be so condescending just get to your trash talking points.

[-] pokexpert30@lemmy.pussthecat.org 12 points 6 months ago

Ah yes because as the first step isn't all the way to the goal, we shouldn't have taken it.

[-] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ah yes, a chair that collects your data.

I dont get the meme, maybe because the person doesn't understand what tiktok is about and thinks his loved country is attacked?

Edit: crazy that truth doesn't be liked or any serious commitment to correct me. Chinese fan boys are really part of a cringe community

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago

Kirkland All-Beef Frankfurters send information about your intestinal fauna back to China.

[-] Reawake9179@lemmy.kde.social 3 points 6 months ago

Can i interest you in something called IoT

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[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago

This meme is also made in china. "/s"

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago

PSA: Samsung phones are not made in China. Iphone's sure are, though.

[-] noahimesaka1873@lemmy.funami.tech 8 points 6 months ago

Cheaper (and sold more) A Series are, in fact, made in China (or Vietnam). Expensive S series are made in Korea though.

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

Man some of these caricatures… I swear I’ve met this corn-bred Ghostbusters prop redneck before.

[-] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago

I hate it too if my table sets spying on me

[-] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

dont worry with tiktok gone now u only have to worry about literally everything else with electronics in it.

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