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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

I never consent to give my data away or being tracked, but how do you deal with so called legitimate interest? I tried several times to untick them but it is a long list (in fact at the bottom there is a "vendors" link with even longer, much longer list. It took me 10 minutes to get to the bottom of it once).

My questions:

-how can we trust these so called legitimate interests when they are self defined by companies whose business model relies on your data?

-how can we find out what these legitimate interests are and what data it collects?

-are such companies controlled in any way?

-is this kind of consent form compliant with EU gdpr? (normally opt out is to be as easy as opt in, and there is no "refuse all" for these so called legitimate interests).

-what are your strategies against such sites tracking you? Or am I just being paranoid?

The sheer amount vendors is daunting, the Internet really turned into crap

Edit: when clicking Preferences at the bottom the content of the legitimate interested is spelled out for each vendor, so this replies one of my questions.

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[-] fluckx@lemmy.world 111 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Legitimate interest is just bullshit.

Can I have your:

  • wallet
  • emails received
  • telephone number
  • pin code
  • visa card numbers
  • browser history
  • home address
  • dates you won't be home
  • alarm code

I too am legitimately interested in this data.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 6 months ago

Hey, these faceless corporations deserve your info. /s

[-] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 62 points 6 months ago

They’re legitimately interested in your data.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago

Legitimate Interest is an attempt at working around the GDPR using a loophole in the ruling meant to permit processing of data in situations such as when a business has a trading relationship with a client.

However the legal clarification from the EU Commission says: "Your company/organisation must also check that by pursuing its legitimate interests the rights and freedoms of those individuals are not seriously impacted, otherwise your company/organisation cannot rely on grounds of legitimate interest as a justification for processing the data and another legal ground must be found." (see here) and there is a "right to privacy" in EU law.

So supposedly that nearly endless list of "partners" (read: advert providers, trackers and other assorted businesses who make money from breaking people's privacy) cannot use legitimate interest to track you as that would break your right to privacy.

That said, in practice they probably do, and until they get fined hard they'll keep on doing it, so as others said, don't used a Chrome-based browser and use a good Ad Blocker add-on.

[-] BoisZoi@lemmy.ml 39 points 6 months ago

OP:

posts about tracking and not consenting to give data away

also OP:

uses Google Chrome

[-] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Wrong, that's Mulch. Uninstalling and deactivating Google apps is the first thing I do. Android system webview is the tricky one, but Mulch has a webview too. Still the default one manages to creep in sometimes, and deactivating it breaks things that call it specifically. Edit: there is a system webview setting under Developers tools, but Mulch's does not appear there

[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 months ago

Mulch ain't the worst, but there are better options. Generally, I would recommend a Firefox-based browser instead of Chromium, because it has full extension support (including adblockers). You can check out this comparison chart, or this one.

[-] Treachery4524@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

Bromite and Cromite are a thing too

[-] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago

Bromite? Not anymore. Cromite? Absolutely.

[-] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I used cromite for a while, and in general prefer it to Mulch, but I stick to it for the webview. (only way that seems to have the webview replace Google's is to define Mulch as default browser). I still often use cromite too

Edit : not just cromite in fact 😅

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
  1. Depends on the threat model but usually you don't trust them. It's as simple as that

  2. I think the legitimate interest has something to do with giving the data to the government when legally required but it can have other meanings too. Good luck with finding out. Some of them won't tell the truth even if officially asked (unless you work for the government)

  3. Everything is somewhat controlled but in terms of data collection and sharing it is absolutely not (e. g. the users' HIV status data on Tumblr or whatever the thing is called)

  4. Idk about that

  5. Regular protection like Tor, VPN, anti-fingerprinting etc

  6. I wouldn't say you are being too paranoid

  7. Yes the internet has turned into a horrible place

[-] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Legitimate interest is just an out to get around tracking users.

I wouldn't be surprised is many data trackers don't pay attention to any of the permissions and agreements. It's hard to validate they aren't in compliance and it's hard for most people to even challenge these businesses.

Even if these businesses where legally challenged they can just close the business. Then take the same software and start a new business doing the same thing. If you look at the amount of companies you information is shared with under legitimate interests it can be in the order of hundreds.

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago

Not hundreds but thousands. I saw one app that claimed to share the data with like 815 partners

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

This is the worst one I've been subjected to so far. Was on some gaming-related site, don't remember which one

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago
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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

So the gaming site/high score connection wasn't intended? Oh well 🤷

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

Idk what's a dite. The reason of why I said it like that wasn't to make connection with gaming. Unfortunately I can't tell the reason

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[-] merde@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

I wouldn't be surprised is many data trackers don't pay attention to any of the permissions and agreements. It's hard to validate they aren't in compliance and it's hard for most people to even challenge these businesses.

organizations like la quadrature validate and challenge those businesses. Europe is relatively strict on this subject.

[-] joeldebruijn@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago
  1. It's not gdpr compliant in the way shown here or IAB TCF uses it.

Legitimate interest is a sort failsafe which can be used to cover certain exceptions.

  • the datacontrollor must have an exceptional situation, so not on a regular basis.
  • the balance between personal and business interest must be considered carefully under case by case basis.
  • the dataprocessor isn't the one doing the consideration

Automating all this is kind off against all the above.

[-] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 19 points 6 months ago

There's no such thing as legitimate interest. Reject what you can, block everything else with adblockers.

[-] Holli25@slrpnk.net 17 points 6 months ago

Legitimate interest is a way for the vendors to not need your confirmation. In general, your right to privacy is valued against the vendor's right to operate. The most often used example is advertisement: in general, vendors are allowed to advertise, as they want to operate and sell their products. But you have a right to your data (e.g. mail adress, home adress, interests...). So courts have to value what is more important. Another example that most people would agree is that clubs want to show what happens in the club, so they publish pictures from their activities (interest of club to show they are active vs personal right to your image). As not every case goes to court, most vendors see their interest as more important and interpret "legitimate" interest rather loosely. So in general, the idea of legitimate interest is compliant with the GDPR, although I believe most sites use it too liberal.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 months ago

fair enough, i have a legitimate interest in always blocking trackers and advertisements in every device i own too

[-] jherazob@kbin.social 12 points 6 months ago
[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago

You can just use uBlock Origin with this list to hide the cookie notices: https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/abp/

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[-] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 months ago

Use Firefox (or a hardened fork like Mull) with uBlock Origin and you'll never see this BS again

[-] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Have https://noyb.eu/en or https://www.eff.org/ or others never covered this ? If not it would be good to get them interested ?

[-] vox@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

IANAL, but iirc if you're in the eu, legitimate interest is not legal basis for data processing but they may still store it for later use if you ever agree to one of these

[-] derpgon@programming.dev 6 points 6 months ago

I am like 90% sure they use it regardless.

[-] shadycomposer@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

It’s their interest, not yours.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I thought legitimate interest meant you were legitimately interested in giving up your data to those vendors????

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 6 months ago

Nope.

And now hand me over your wallet. You can't deny it, I have legitimate interest.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

If it won't let me untick all but the essential cookies easily - close tab, move on.

Recently I realised that some "reject all" options still don't reject the "legitimate" bullshit, so I now avoid those sites too (and no, I don't trust that extensions that claim to reject all for me will actually reject all).

I've got better things to do with my time than scrutinise these cookie pop ups and/or go through lengthy lists individually unticking options. Fuck that noise - don't have minimal respect for users? Then I'm definitely not providing you any of my data (the sites that make it the hardest rarely hold information you can't easily find elsewhere)..

[-] admiralteal@kbin.social 4 points 6 months ago

This is the exception to prove the rule that the other interests are definitely illegitimate. This is the website telling you that they give away your data for illegitimate purposes.

It's not a surprise. We knew this was true. But seeing it's spelled out like this is a little galling.

Illegitimate: not authorized by the law; not in accordance with accepted standards or rules

The website is basically admitting that they're using your data maliciously, intentionally, by having this distinction.

[-] pirate526@kbin.social 7 points 6 months ago

While you’re right conceptually, this isn’t what the wording means in terms of consent dialogs. Legitimate interest means they can assume, legitimately, that you have an interest in aspects of the site (by you being there) that require X cookies, basically. Ie their product is providing functionality they can assume you’re interested in just by being there, and they’re “pre approving” the tracking/storage for that functionality.

I concur that it’s rubbish and used almost always in a manner that reeks of illegitimacy.

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[-] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

I use temporary container tabs in Firefox. (Desktop, dunno if that works on mobile)

Every new tab I open opens in its own temporary container unless I've chosen otherwise (like for sites I want to remember logins )

So, even if I accept all the cookies, they all disappear with the temporary container after browsing, and don't connect to any other container - only tabs started (e.g. by clicking links) in the same container.

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[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Use a script obfuscator. I've been using one for about a decade now and it's extremely easy to tell when companies are doing illegal spying. Looking at YOU ebay. My full name is not GKDSLGFJDS ZKGWKDSF, you fucking assholes. Enjoy the cement shoes when the advertisers you sold "my information" to find out that it's nothing but strings of randomly long random characters, kinda like what happened to twitter when they started lying and saying everyone who used their platform was SUPER into crypto (Yes, this was pre-Elon. All Musk did was bring the nazism of the platform to the surface. For an example of what twitter was really like you need look no further than BlueSky where you need to go out of your want to "disable nazis" because the CEO is convinced the average person wants to see hitler apologia)

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