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[-] Pronell@lemmy.world 310 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Until there are some kind of real penalties for submitting unconstitutional legislation, we will not be able to stop these clowns from abusing our state legislatures.

[-] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 135 points 7 months ago

Seriously I’ve said it before if you’ve backed legislation found to be blatantly unconstitutional you should be removed from office.

[-] jumjummy@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Until you get clowns like we have in the Supreme Court shooting down women’s healthcare rights and this too becomes weaponized against the Democrats because those rights are somehow “unconstitutional”.

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[-] cannibalkitteh 36 points 7 months ago

It really should have to pass some form of nonpartisan review before being able to be introduced. I hate that as a private citizen, I have to track possible legislation and make time during the day to tell them that it's clearly unconstitutional, have them pass it anyways, and then wait between 2-10 years for the courts to tell them (maybe).

[-] gdog05@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

Informally, I believe this has been resolved by having the state attorney general sign off on most legislation as to its constitutionality. In my state, the attorney general is a shitheel. But, he has called out anti-gay legislation as blatantly unconstitutional and a waste of time and money. The lawmakers want headlines and ALEC money. They don't give two shits about it being lawful or costly or harmful.

[-] cannibalkitteh 6 points 7 months ago

I'm not aware of any states where the attorney general can block introduction of legislation.

[-] gdog05@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

If I insinuated they could block it, that wasn't my intention. It is basically a check without teeth. They can make a stink about it and a recommendation to the governor before signing but they have no legislative power.

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[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 28 points 7 months ago

I've been thinking along the same lines for a while. If I call 911 and submit a knowingly false report, I get charged with a crime. If I submit knowingly false paperwork to the government, I can be charged with a crime or at least infraction and fined.

But these people we elect who have entire staffs that are for making sure they always have enough information are submitting blatantly unconstitutional laws just to get them passed through a majority congress to be again and again shot down at the judicial level should really face consequences.

Though I don't know what that would be without it being used to easily punish political opponents. If there's a law that does this and gives the judiciary more power, how will it be used when conservatives control those 2 branches?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

If I call 911 and submit a knowingly false report, I get charged with a crime.

There's a long history of lynching and SWATing in America that suggests otherwise.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

Until there are some kind of real penalties for submitting unconstitutional legislation

Who Watches The Watchmen?

Who gets to decide what constitutes "Unconstitutional Legislation" and dole out the penalties? The courts (stacked with conservatives)? The police (staffed with fascists)? The voters (caged until only the Republicans have a functional majority)?

At some level, this is a popular movement of the Elect. It isn't just Ron going off on a limb. He's got enormous financial and social support from other like minded white supremacists.

That's not something you can combat without an organized opposition.

[-] Pronell@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Yes, this is the danger of fascism playing with language.

They aren't trying to be logical or fair. They aren't here for debate. They're here to do what they want to do, period.

Which is why they also inevitably fall apart, (eventually) they can't even have that conversation internal to the movement and agree on what it is they want to do.

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[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 8 points 7 months ago

The law doesn't restrict Satanism, this is just a comment Desantis made

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 118 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Lawsuit time. BRB, gotta go donate to TST.

[-] Hello_there@fedia.io 13 points 7 months ago

Is there a market to bet on the outcomes of lawsuits? Because we have a winner.

[-] remotedev@lemmy.ca 12 points 7 months ago

These days, I don't even know anymore. I've lost all faith that's what's right will be what's done

[-] Zealousideal_Fox900@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

BRB, off to go buy some TST shirts and hoodies

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 109 points 7 months ago

Ron DeSantis now judges what a religion is or isn't?

[-] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 42 points 7 months ago

When you're backed by a lead-fueled delusion that you know god, you can decide anything.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

He sure as shit tries but this is 100% getting litigated

[-] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

He has decided...His is... Yours isn't

[-] thatsux0rz@lemmy.world 102 points 7 months ago

In the article he says "Satan has no place in our schools" but what is Christianity without Satan?

[-] Entropywins@lemmy.world 50 points 7 months ago

Same as it is without...insanity

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[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 94 points 7 months ago

I don’t believe Christianity is a real religion. Do I get to ban it from my business?

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

My deeply held belief is that their is not now nor has their ever been any God in this reality, can churches please be removed from any street I drive down?

[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago

I'm cool with them having buildings, they just have to pay taxes to fund those roads because their LARPing doesn't have any backing to justify the exemption.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 7 months ago

They want to put a church down the block from a school, and I can't abide that sort of thing.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 83 points 7 months ago

Imo if you pass a clearly unconstitutional law you should maybe be liable for some of the court costs.

[-] nman90@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago
[-] Burninator05@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

And any lawyers who advised you that it is a law that may stand up in court should be disbarred.

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[-] kromem@lemmy.world 68 points 7 months ago

DeSantis conveniently didn't mention Mosque leaders as teaching the kids. I wonder why that was. Does Florida not recognize Islam as a religion? Or did he just not want to point out that was a possibility...

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

Does Florida not recognize Islam as a religion?

This is, unironically, an argument American conservatives are making

Or did he just not want to point out that was a possibility…

There's two prongs to this kind of assault. The "we're just opening the door to religion in schools" angle uses liberal egalitarianism to shoe horn in reactionary ideology. Then the "they're too dangerous to let near your kids" angle is used to pry rival ideologies away.

What you end up with is a singular "safe" educational platform that just happens to be Ron's favorite flavor of white supremacy, with any other belief categorized as a form of subversive or derogatory hate speech.

[-] charonn0@startrek.website 66 points 7 months ago

This is a textbook example of the "establishment of religion" prohibited by the First Amendment.

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 40 points 7 months ago

It's ironic because denying that Satan has followers would be considered blasphemy in many Christian denominations.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago

Florida loves dumping tax money into Miami law offices.

I’m sure this has nothing to do with the obvious federal legal rodeo they’re creating.

Sorry FloridaMan. Hey, at least you still have huge stockpiles of hydroxychloriquine! Mmmmm-mm! Good stuff.

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 7 months ago

the TST is technically a religious institute so uh. Good luck have fun.

I think the COS also is but fuck the COS the COS can eat dick.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago

If you’re not the proper government mandated religion, you’re not welcome in Florida.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Oooook, that's legit not something Florida can rule on. Its in direct violation of their own state constitution.

SECTION 3. Religious freedom.—There shall be no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting or penalizing the free exercise thereof. Religious freedom shall not justify practices inconsistent with public morals, peace or safety. No revenue of the state or any political subdivision or agency thereof shall ever be taken from the public treasury directly or indirectly in aid of any church, sect, or religious denomination or in aid of any sectarian institution.

If belief in God is a religion the belief in their adversary ie. Satan must also be a religion. Ie. Either both are religions or neither are.

Notably there's more evidence that by Floridas definition that Christianity isn't a religion given its support of violent prostilyzing, child rape, and incest.

[-] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 27 points 7 months ago

Your religion isn’t a real science.

[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 25 points 7 months ago

Lol. We've tried this before, DeSantis. Courts side with Satan.

[-] RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

Pastafarians, follow me!

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

What about the Church of the Subgenius, the Discordians, and the Pastafarians?

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[-] Juice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago

Leftists: try and get these jobs and teach kids liberation theology, bonus points for smuggling Marxist critique into sermons

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