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[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 74 points 7 months ago

"Night owl" sleep preference is a real thing and isn't a choice (being largely genetic). Night owls forced to obey a daytime schedule suffer from what researchers call "social jet lag" because it constantly feels like they're living in the wrong time zone. Here's a 3-minute AsapSCIENCE video with more details for anyone interested.

[-] Lyre@lemmy.ca 65 points 7 months ago

Im not going to disagree with you, but i have this nagging suspicion that most people who think they are "night owls" are really just shining a phone light in their face every night and confusing their sleep cycle.

[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

For some that's definitely true. It's well known that light (especially Edit: blue-to-yellow as per below) can disrupt someone's circadian rhythm.

[-] Lyre@lemmy.ca 9 points 7 months ago

Wow you had that source fast... Nicely done

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

im aware too much light is bad but didnt they disprove the blue light thing?

[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Did they? I'll have to look. I know reputable sources were talking about blue light specifically as of a few years ago, but science always changes so it's possible. I'd love a link if you've got it, but don't feel obligated.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

i remember reading a study a couple of years ago but i wouldnt be able to find it again. in any case i still use blue light filters for the reduced eye strain and light amount at night.

[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Thank you for replying, because it reminded me to look for actual studies today :) Edit: If you want a TL:DR, I found this article which describes the study I found below in less technical terms. Basically it may not just be blue light that's bad (supporting what you said), although using blue-light blockers and night modes is still a good idea.

I found this 2023 study that (via a lot of technical detail) basically says it doesn't matter if the light is blue or yellow. The authors say theirs was a smaller study limited to 16 participants and shorter exposure times by budget constraints, but it supports what you said. If you scroll down to the last paragraph they say exposure to short-wavelength light (blue-to-yellow) should be reduced in the evening, and recommend phones, computers etc. have various kinds of night modes and that they be used.

So the summary seems to be that there's a study that says blue light IS hard on sleep, but it's not just blue light - it's all light with more energy than red/orange light (i.e. the light you'd get naturally at sunset). It's just one study and a small one, but that may be what you read and it's a good starting point for further research.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

thats exactly the one i read. thanks for sharing your research.

[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Thanks for sharing yours too! Science is always about getting it more and more right.

[-] Dieinahole@kbin.social 27 points 7 months ago

Night owls have been a thing since long before cell phones existed

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

The increase in people who can't sleep because of cell phone usage at night has increased because of cell phones. This is a well known thing. No one is saying night owls didn't exist before cellphones.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 months ago

Or night owls just fuck a lot more than early birds, so we're taking over the population

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Conspiracy! You all will turn into vampires later....I saw it in that true blood documentary.

[-] justJanne@startrek.website 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That may be true, but at least the genes for night owls are present in more people than the genes for early birds.

So it should be expected that, regardless of phone usage, over half of the population will go to bed and wake up ~2-3h later than expected.

If your timezone is closely aligned with the sun, that'd be 22:00-06:00 for early birds and 01:00-09:00 for night owls. But if your timezone isn't, both of these times would shift around.

For me personally, no matter when I go to bed, whether it's 22:00 or 03:00, I always wake up precisely 09:30 without any alarm clock. But this also means if I have to wake up earlier, e.g. at 8am, I'll be very tired and not well rested.

[-] veroxii@aussie.zone 1 points 7 months ago

I think you are severely overestimating how many people sleep till 9 or later. There's no way it's more than half.

Look at what times are peak traffic or peak public transport. Anyone with kids wakes up early. Most kids do. Anyone who has to be at school by 9 is up earlier.

9am wake ups are for people in their 20s till mid 30s generally. And only if you have a very understanding white collar job. Most blue collar workers and labourers are up much earlier.

[-] Sombyr@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago

I don't think they were commenting on how many people can sleep late, I think it was a comment on what time people would naturally sleep to barring all other factors but genetics.

[-] AnonStoleMyPants@sopuli.xyz 11 points 7 months ago

And definitely a lot of it is just that people have gotten used to it. People think they have insomnia because every time they try to go to bed early they can't sleep but they're doing it the wrong way. They should wake up early and go to bed when they start to feel sleepy and work on sleep hygiene (including even a short walk outside). It won't be fixed in a day.

[-] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 11 points 7 months ago

I am typing this in Wuhan, listening to birds singing in the middle of the night. Are they owls? No, their sleep patterns have simply adapted to the constant neon lighting all over the place.

Depression and alcohol can also negatively affect sleep patterns.
Combine depression with all night TV binge watching or phone soon browsing for a greaaaat combo.

One can break cycles, though.

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

What's life like in Wuhan? Haven't seen any commenters from China on here yet

[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

It also changed with age for me. And I feel like I also influenced it by getting to bed on time almost everyday, and putting away the phone.

So I understand that it might be very difficult, it was the same for me, and I managed to change it.

Still feel tired if I have to wake up before 7 am, no matter how much I slept, but that’s mostly avoidable.

[-] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

I was a night owl for a long time, literally decades. Then I went overseas, and since I came back I fall asleep by 9pm and get up between 5-6. I tend to agree with you.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 months ago

Is it temporary?

I feel like you would adapt to the new time pretty quickly and then it starts all over again

[-] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

We will see, but it’s been pretty consistent so far. I think it’s a bit easier for me than most people, because I can freely change my work schedule within like 6a-6p, so now I just go into work earlier and get out earlier. Sometimes I take a nap and still wake up before dinner time, and it’s awesome.

[-] Franconian_Nomad@feddit.de 61 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Night owls exist, I know because I’m one.

But this guy is full of shit. Friends rarely want to hang out at 10 am. Afternoon? Sure. Evening? Bet on it. But 10 am? Not so often. And if they do they know it’s early for you because they’re your friend.

Classes at 10 am? Goodness me, you poor soul. Every 9 -5 wageslave will shed a tear for you. (Yeah, I know. I’d prefer classes in the afternoon too.)

Meet your Gf for lunch instead, or go with her on the weekends a bit later.

And yeah. Fishing is often early in the morning. Make an exception for your friend or don’t go.

Society sucks demanding from people to be crisp and sharp at 8am. But I have a feeling we have some guy here, who likes to play vidiya games all night long and wants present himself as the victim.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago

Can't you just take a nap in the afternoon?

[+] vzq 46 points 7 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[-] Strawberry 28 points 7 months ago

yes, the fetish is called patriarchy

[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago

[-] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago

It means OP is terrified of being compared to someone else. With a virgin, no problem : they've no idea how bad you are, really. Unless they have friends, of course.

[-] Jank@literature.cafe 1 points 7 months ago

That sounds exhausting. I don't want to have sex with someone indecisive, much less someone who's never done it before.

[-] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago

I mean, there is the lovely notion that as a happy loving couple, you'll discover your way together. And really, I think that's a great romantic idea. In theory.
Unfortunately it seems to fall over if you couple it with the "do not talk about it ever" sex education.
So many unsatisfied women out there just living with the "well, that's my life now" attitude. It's tragic.

[-] Jank@literature.cafe 1 points 7 months ago

It also may fail when you've had more than once sexual relationship in your life.

[-] boletus@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago

It just means they want a girlfriend who hasn't had sex with a prior partner.

[-] emmie@lemmy.ml 24 points 7 months ago

So they want someone they can relate to?

[-] Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 months ago

It's an ancient Islam thing.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 17 points 7 months ago

Morning people and extroverts have no idea there's anyone else.

[-] hector@sh.itjust.works 15 points 7 months ago

Anon should seek help to fix his sleep!

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 11 points 7 months ago

10am isn't early by anyone's definition.

[-] waz@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Why is this getting down voted? Do people really think before 10 am is "early".

[-] Topipolous@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago

I wake up around 12pm usually and I have to put an alarm for that.

[-] waz@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

What are you suggesting should be considered early?

I used to work nights 11pm to 7 am. Typically I would sleep noon to 8 pm. Regardless of my effed up sleep schedule, I still understood that "early" meant "early in the day", and that whenever I slept wasn't really related to what was considered "early" for most people. You've stated your waking time, bit not what you consider "early".

[-] Topipolous@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

For me honestly 10 is early. It’s like I can get up at 10 but not enjoying it. 11 is for me what for most people is probably like 8am. Waking up before that is torture. I think it should be up to everyone individually to decide what’s early for them but I definitely disagree with the original comment that 10 am isn’t early by anyone’s definition.

[-] waz@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

What do you think counts as early?

I used to work 11pm to 7 am. Typically I would sleep noon to 8 pm. Regardless of my effed up sleep schedule, I still understood that "early" meant "early in the day", and that whenever I slept wasn't really related to what was considered "early" for most people.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 months ago

Must not know a lot of people then.

Might be because you go to sleep too early.

[-] Epicmulch@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

Try turning your phone TV and computer off when the sun goes down. I'm not saying insomnia isn't a thing. But if you're just sitting in the dark or reading a book or something that doesn't have bright stimulating lights you have a much better chance to fall asleep.

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