Ah yes, communism and democracy, directly comparable and not at all describing totally different things in different categories
It's actually disheartening that all communist countries become authoritarian. Theoretically with flat power structure, they should all become democracies. Maybe they ARE not communists.
I mean, what we call "communist countries" were really founded with communism as an ideal and authoritarianism as the means to supposedly achieve that ideal. turns out the people they put in power to liberate them didn't want to give up that power willingly. shocker.
Everything we’ve seen thus far is socialism with a siege mentality. Every socialist revolution in the world has been attacked by capitalism through espionage, sabotage, embargoes, sanctions leading to resistance groups, assassinations and coups. Michael Parenti explains it quite well.
Good thing that under the words communism and democracy, there are pictures that give you the context. Which allows you to understand that the actual comparison is between Marxism-Leninism (which are the majority of communist states) and representative democratic constitutional republic (which are the majority of democracies).
Those two things don't get along very well.
Okay, quick question: In your meme, would you say the picture description on the right is something advocating for democracy? (Although democracy in of itself has basically nothing to do with that wall imo)
I guess I agree that this wall has nothing to do with any form of democracy or communism. Just wanted to be edgy and post something against ML.
I honestly wonder where the hate for communism comes from. Yes, the stereotypical historical examples were disasters. But as others here have mentioned, the problems in these systems were not rooted in a communist economical system (which there also wasn't really). And assuming educated people should be able to differentiate between these I can only suspect the capitalism-blue-pill.
And to illustrate further I'd like to quote my very wise and definetely NOT communist literature teacher: In heaven there's communism. I think that dums it up nicely. If you sant to hate something, don't hate the idea, it in itself is pure and you're making a fool of yourself if you didn't wish for it in a perfect world. Hate the realisations? Maybe, but also noone seriously tried yet...
But if one just hates on it for the sake of having an "enemy" in turn validating the system oneself is a part of, that's just a lack of reflection and critical thinking. Capitalism does not work and we'd see it everywhere we look if we wanted to. We just can't imagine any other system anymore and that is the trap our society has fallen into. Blind religious belief in a economical system (ridiculous by itself, I might add). Let's atleast try alternatives or compromises before we finish burning down our planet.
Also: I love democracy, fix democracy first. Priority number one.
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The problem with capitalism is the same as with communism. Corruption, Cronyism, Nepotism, Greed and Dishonesty. People preaching for communism point at those things in capitalism and act like communism wont have the exact same bad actors trying to game the system.
No there hasnt been a modern attempt at communism because past versions were such SPECTACULAR failures (admittedly mostly for reasons that arent actually related to the system of governance) that the well is poisoned. If you cant convince people that masks prevent the spread of disease when its a scientifically verifiable fact you arent going to convince them that communism is viable when it has historically speaking always collapsed or morphed into totalitarian capitalism.
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It's just a shitpost, bro, don't think about it, let me just make a shitpost covering a political topic, I'm not making a statement just a shitpost, bro.
If it's a shitpost why do you defend it so much?
I'm in this picture and I don't like it
The idea that the USSR and East Germany were anywhere close to communism is a joke. There were so many offshoots of communism that were just autocracies where the state owned all property that its meaning is pointless now. It's better to describe then as dictatorships.
As much as I agree with your communism comment the same can be said to our democracy. We are a representative democracy and choose people to choose for us.
Agreed. Most if not all democracies today are severely flawed. I'd also argue that the wall depicted here has more to do with these flaws than with democracy
‘Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’
Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947
Only for the presidential election. All the rest are normal. We're definitely a representative democracy. Whereas none of the communist countries are anywhere close to Marxist communism.
Communism is an economic system, democracy is a political system. There are examples of democratic socialism and of capitalist dictatorships. Also, the word here is in fact socialism and not communism.
Those words can mean those things, but communism is also used to describe a political system. After all, part of the definition of communism is statelessness which is entirely about the politics and not the economics (source).
Also, just as democracy might be used to describe a political system, it commonly taken to mean liberal democracy, and thus in most contemporary contexts implies an economic system of capitalism.
So I just think it depends on the context what people mean by these terms. Of course you can try to define communism only in economic terms, but since the term is so abused and "inflated" it's hard to claim it has any singular or absolute meaning.
Depending on who you are talking to, communism has practically opposite meanings, for example, in public schools in the U.S. they teach that communism is when all economic activity is controlled by a centralized state, which is ironically the exact opposite of how Marx defined communism.
The same can be said of democracy.
poor country vs rich country
I wish we had a world where people could cross borders as easily as money does
I feel like the poster didn't mean to infer American capitalism is so great we need a wall to slow people down from entering while communism is so shitty they need a wall to prevent people from escaping.
It's a strangely pro American capitalism meme for lemmy.
ML can choke on my dick. Fuck autocrats. Your vanguard party are just the next oppressors
Communism is when Mexico.
Mexico didn't build a wall. The Eastern Block did in the cold war. Think the Berlin Wall
Both the US and Mexico are capitalist democracies. The meme implies that Capitalists built a wall to keep Communists out.
It's an awkward meme that doesn't make much sense.
It doesn't imply that. It says that (some) capitalist states build walls to keep refugees out (like the US and in a way the EU) while (some) communist states build walls to keep (potential) refugees in (like the GDR)
Not the best description I have seen. Any wall that can keep someone out can keep someone in. Just have to change the system inside. The big problem, however, is that nobody understands the term communism and applies it to lots of things which are not. A totalitarian state is not communism. And a Christian nationalist state is no longer a democracy.
As refreshing as it is to hear ML keyboards cracking, this is not a meme, nor a shitpost and even being a meme, there is a community for that
Tell me you don't know anything about communism without telling me you don't know anything about communism speedrun any%
I'll take gross reductionisn for 500 Alex
Communist democracy:
It's economically beneficial to live next to a communist country. They'll build the wall for you.
Communism: 2MHz processors
Democracy: 4GHz multicore multithread processors
Tetris
Soviet union: Tetris
Human rights: The legend of Zelda: breath of the wild
The direction of flow does not mitigate the inhumanity or blunt stupidity of the act.
they are the same pictures, no differences, and the titles are wrongs ofc.
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