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Donald Trump would be on track to win a historic landslide in November — if so many US voters didn’t find him personally repugnant.

Roughly 53 percent of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of the former president. And yet, when asked about Trump’s ability to handle key issues — or the impact of his policies — voters routinely give the Republican candidate higher marks than President Biden

In a YouGov survey released this month, Trump boasted an advantage over Biden on 10 of the 15 issues polled. On the three issues that voters routinely name as top priorities — the economy, immigration, and inflation — respondents said that Trump would do a better job by double-digit margins. 

Meanwhile, in a recent New York Times/Siena College poll, 40 percent of voters said that Trump’s policies had helped them personally, while just 18 percent said the same of Biden. If Americans could elect a normal human being with Trump’s reputation for being “tough” on immigration and good at economics, they would almost certainly do so.

Biden is fortunate that voters do not have that option. But to erase Trump’s small but stubborn lead in the polls, the president needs to erode his GOP rival’s advantage on the issues.

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[-] Fapper_McFapper@lemmy.world 208 points 7 months ago

The message is clear. Republicans want to raise the retirement age to 69, outlaw abortion on a national level. Vote Republican at your own peril.

[-] Plopp@lemmy.world 62 points 7 months ago

Vote Republican at your own peril.

Peril is less bad than those communist democrats, I bet all too many morons believe.

[-] hemmes@lemmy.world 35 points 7 months ago

I was basically going to say the same thing, they'll vote anyway, party over policy. It doesn't matter what they propose. As long as Democrats disagree with it, their constituents will vote for it, standard team-driven advertising.

Most voters don't care about politics at all, we just want what everyone else wants - a chance at opportunity, some form of health care and social security, you know, the good life. We can all pretty much agree on that and it's really not that interesting a topic. So, politicians turn politics into a sports game because that's what people care about and engage with, sports and competition, our old friend, Ego.

Follow your heart, not your ego.

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 33 points 7 months ago

I don't understand retirement. Didn't John Oliver just tell us that Millenials already don't get to retire at 65? I am fucking livid, i am 35, my mom died at 62, I probably won't even make it to 65 and all the money I have given to the government for this is going to be lost.

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[-] astrsk@piefed.social 30 points 7 months ago

Wow they even managed to make the funny number not funny anymore.

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[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 100 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The party of taking things away strikes again!

Let me add a side dish of - I'm increasingly convinced they want a system designed such that we can all work to increase the wealth of the 1% right up to the moment we drop dead in our cubicles.

[-] cogman@lemmy.world 52 points 7 months ago

No need to be unconvinced, right wingers have explicitly said that's what they want. Benny Shaps recently said something to the effect of "It's unhealthy to retire, everyone that retires ends up dying in a few years. We should all work as long as possible."

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Perhaps it's that social security doesn't let folks do much beyond existing. If they had money to travel and adventure and indulge in hobbies, maybe folks would live longer. Ben just convinced me that we need to pay people way more both while they work and in retirement.

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 7 months ago

It's also because personal fulfillment and social connections (and a lot of physical activity) in western society are built entirely around work. You make friends at work, you talk to people at work, you walk around and move at work. Work is meant to sort of be your mental stimulation. So many people simply forget/don't have the resources to develop connections outside of work, and then when they retire even with money they find themselves lost and aimless. Some find new ways to self-fufill, but others don't. Without some external motivation forcing them to develop, they wither, because the system has not taught them otherwise.

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Eh. Work gives me none of that. Been remote since COVID. I do get mental stimulation but honestly I get plenty of that from social media and video games - keeps my mind active and focused. If I ever do get to retire I'll probably add woodworking to my hobbies. Most likely I'll either die working or get some horrible disease and die because I couldn't work and lost insurance.

But I'll tell you, I'm fifty. Been in my career for twenty five years. I still enjoy what I do but I'm getting fucking tired of the way software development is managed. People and corporations suck all the enjoyment out of otherwise fulfilling careers. I'm not looking to retire but if I hit the lottery tomorrow (which I won't because I don't gamble) I wouldn't look back. Maybe I'd go fishing with my dad more. Once he retires.

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[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 7 months ago

In western society? Bro, in Japan and S. Korea, they've never heard of a work-life balance. This isn't a western thing, this is a class issue.

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[-] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

The policies they vote for again and again are definitely designed for the wealthy to only get wealthier. However what they are being sold, is a world they no longer understand, being turned against them and their children. This is the lie they're swallowing when they vote red.

https://archive.is/cRKFK

They don't think they're voting to enrich the elites, they believe they're saving the future for unborn children. If you listen to the rhetoric it's very apparent. To me it's sad as these folks think they're doing the right thing for their children and by proxy the world.

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 96 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Meanwhile, back in reality, the GOP recently lost two more special elections in places they normally wouldn't & nationwide the Democrats are still beating polling by 9+ points at the ballot box post Roe V. Wade fuckery by SCotUS. Also, the GOP's bank accounts are literally being looted by the Trumps which will devastate down-ballot politicians.

I'm assuming they are using AI or a something similar for targeting polling to get the "answers" they want,

Polling hasn't been anywhere near accurate since 2016, but the Media needs its horse race. Make sure you vote & make sure 3 other people vote & we've got this.

EDIT: the silly little fascist symp @syllogi has been blocked by everyone, so all they can do is sad little downvotes. How pathetic you are, fash.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 32 points 7 months ago

Exactly. Who do you think is more likely to answer a phone poll? A rural landline to an older man with nothing better to do then shout "Trump" into the receiver OR an urban mobile number owned by a young non-white woman with two kids?

These polls oversample loud conservatives and undersample quieter Democrats with actual lives. Remember 2020 when Trump had lots of "enthusiasm" at his rallies? How'd that work out?

It doesn't matter how enthusiastic your vote is, it matters if you vote. Just vote and help others to do the same. Sign up for a Biden or local Democrat's GOTV effort. That's actual democracy.

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[-] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 7 months ago

We need more than 4 votes though... (Joke if not obvious)

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[-] fubarx@lemmy.ml 54 points 7 months ago

"Donald Trump would be on track to win a historic landslide in November — if so many US voters didn’t find him personally repugnant."

That if is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 52 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

What blows my mind is how many people these poles seem to say think that Donald Trump's economic policies are so great. The fact is that he, in four short years, undid nearly all of the economic growth that Obama built on for eight full years. And that was before he mishandled the pandemic so unfathomably badly that our country is still recovering from it four years later.

It is just mind boggling that there are people, that aren't a part of his moronic base, who see him as anything but a buffoon.

Edit: formatting and clarification.

[-] OlPatchy2Eyes@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

The economy is a really easy target for someone to point to to claim a president is doing well or poorly. Really whenever someone makes a claim about "the economy" in general without specifying which metrics they're talking about and why those are relevant, they're full of it and just using it to make the list of pros or cons longer.

I'm still in my 20s and I'm more or less a layman as far as economics go. Ever since I started paying attention to politics, the economy has simultaneously been doing extremely well and poorly depending on who you ask, and they can use a whole mess of different metrics to explain why they're right. Meanwhile the only thing I really notice is the price of gas, groceries, or rent.

It seems that we live in two different economies: a good one for people that support the president, and a bad one for those that don't.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

I think it's a whole lot simpler than that.

Trumps presidency was 80% pre-covid, and entirely pre-inflation. Bidens was all covid, all inflation that saw the average person lose 20-30% of their pay.

This is how stupid and simplistic the average voter is, and it's why conservative propaganda works so well. Their feelings don't care about facts.

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[-] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

The people still supporting Trump, by and large, live in an entirely different reality than the rest of us. Even among Republicans, the belief that Biden actually won the last election or that Trump has done anything wrong is strongly correlated with Fox News viewership.

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[-] MediaSensationalism@covert.nexus 51 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

40 percent of voters said that Trump’s policies had helped them personally, while just 18 percent said the same of Biden.

One significant change I've noticed from Biden's policies in my daily life is the capping of overdraft fees. Previously, having a negative balance was a financial emergency as I had to borrow money from friends to avoid hefty $30 fees while waiting for my income check to clear.

[-] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

The biggest campaign disaster is not touting the monumental investments in infrastructure. You almost certainly have a water line replacement, lead service line replacement, or bridge reconstruction project in your town funded by Biden.

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[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 49 points 7 months ago

I don't think GOP voters really care about policy at this point. They have voted against their own interests all the time. I've seen it 1st hand working at the SNAP office in my state. People voting/worshiping guys like DeSantis while he makes it harder for them to get food or help.

[-] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

The phrase I've heard in the past is a Republican would eat shit if it meant a liberal would have to smell their breath.

These people hate Dems and liberals so much they'll vote for the most vile people. They just don't care as long as a Dem isn't in power.

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[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 48 points 7 months ago

Too long since I've said this:

Fuck you, Republicans!

[-] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

It's been 8 hours since you commented and it's already too long since you've said this

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago

It’s been 8 hours since you commented and it’s already too long since you’ve said this

Agreed!

Fuck you, Republicans!

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[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 36 points 7 months ago

Bull puckey, dumps would in no way definable be "on track to win a historic landslide".

He didn't win by a landslide in 2016, he lost in 2020, and he's in a far weaker position today than in either of those elections.

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 22 points 7 months ago

Friendly reminder he lost the popular vote in 16.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago

And 20. Woop woop.

[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

They're so desperate to create false realities.

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

He's demonstrably the actual biggest loser in history, and he only gets more loser-y folks... If any of you are starting to have your memories fade, here's a quick refresher to read this morning and then copy and send to your aunt karen in Missouri.

  • 0 re-elections won
  • 1 term president
  • 2 times impeached
  • 3 marriages
  • 4 inch lifts in his shoes
  • 5 kids, from 3 different mothers
  • 6 bankruptcies
  • 7 US Capitol police suing him for Jan 6 terrorist insurrection and murder of police
  • 8 trillion + dollars added to the US debt in a single term
  • 9 trump lawyers sanctioned by federal judge for lying in frivolous election fraud lawsuits and ordered to pay defendant's legal fees
  • 10 years that trump paid $0 in income taxes between 2000 and 2015. ($0 to cops, teachers, roads, prisons, disaster relief, etc)
  • 11 trump associates charged with serious crimes over the past 5 years
  • 12 million votes (the big lie) - trump claims he won the 2020 election by 12 million votes when in reality, he lost by about 7 million votes.
  • 13 of August, 2021 - one of multiple days that trump was supposed to magically become president again according to Qanon and a crack addicted pillow salesman (the two most respected information sources in the gop)
  • 14 year old girl in a youth choir that trump approached in 1992 to say, "Wow! Just think - in a couple years I'll be dating you."
  • 15 originally confirmed cases of COVID in the US trump said would soon be, “down to close to zero.” followed by, “like a miracle, it will disappear.” - over 1,000,000 Americans have since died of COVID as it continues to kill years later.
  • 16 years old - age of daughter ivanka when she hosted "miss teen" pageant and, according to long time trump associate Noel Casler, "trump called her over in the middle of a rehearsal and had her give him a lap dance while he leered at the crew."
  • 17 known trump and russia investigations from local, state and federal prosecutors
  • 18 gop senators that ignored trump threats / warnings and supported Biden admin's infrastructure bill.
  • 19 as in COVID19 - trump was verified as the single largest source of disinformation on the virus, with a Cornell study claiming that 38% of the "misinformation conversation" originated with trump
  • 20 the day in January, 2021, when Biden was sworn in despite trump inciting a violent insurrection to stop election verification at the US Capitol.
  • 21 gun salute that trump ordered for himself when he left office after a humiliating defeat, even though he never served in the military, famously called military members "losers" and "suckers" and actively avoided the draft with a cowardly "bone spurs" excuse.
  • 22 date in August, 2021, when Alabama hate rally crowd booed trump for finally saying people should get vaccinated, only after 700,000 Americans had died due in large part to his failure as president
  • 23 as in wrestlemania 23 in 2007 where trump, a cartoon level failure with no other prospects, participated in a fake bet that a proxy wrestler would win a fake fight on his behalf or he would shave his wig and hair plugs off.
  • 24 day in August, 2021, when trump actually filed a lawsuit in Florida court against YouTube, a private company, demanding that they reinstate his YouTube channel like a desperate, irrelevant embarrassment with no platforms left to abuse.
  • 25 plus credible sexual assault allegations against trump, spanning decades and with accusers starting as young as 13 years old at time of assault.

And....

  • 91 indictments.
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[-] MrFunnyMoustache@lemmy.ml 16 points 7 months ago

Republican voters subconsciously want the other side to suffer more than improving their situation, they are just not self-aware enough to realise it.

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[-] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Can someone explain to me what would stop dems from infinitely fillibustering any of the Republicans bullshit laws if they got control, similar to how the Republicans have?

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

Gridlock doesn't benefit Democrats like it does Republicans.

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[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 10 points 7 months ago

Nothing, though the budget reconciliation process allows for one filibuster-proof bill a year if it primarily deals with the budget.

That said, the filibuster is just an internal Senate rule. A majority could simply eliminate it at any time, but that of course may come back to bite them when the balance of power shifts.

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[-] OfficeMonkey@lemmy.today 8 points 7 months ago

The Republicans will obliterate the fillibuster the day they want to, claiming the Democrats are forcing them to.

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[-] Infynis@midwest.social 8 points 7 months ago

...respondents said that Trump would do a better job by double-digit margins.

...in a recent New York Times/Siena College poll, 40 percent of voters said that Trump's policies had helped them personally, while just 18 percent said the same of Biden.

So these polls are just showing that Trump gets all the Republicans because they don't actually care about policy, and Biden only gets a few Democrats because these questions are actually about issues, and his entire platform is that he isn't Trump

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