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[-] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 251 points 7 months ago

Admittedly, most of the "Mostly Negative" Steam reviews seem to be reacting to the fact they exist at all, without considering whether they're actually critical to your progress in the game or not (for clarity, they are not).

I didn’t know we were only allowed to write reviews based on things critical to your progress. I didn’t know how many companions you have or what your character looks like weren’t critical. I bet if we searched even a little we’d find a RockPaperShotgun review of “non critical” game features.

What horseshit.

[-] warm@kbin.earth 107 points 7 months ago

MTX have become normalized and it's fucking depressing to see. So many people defend their existence, truly a sad time for the industry.

[-] bighatchester@lemmy.world 46 points 7 months ago

From what I heard it costs $2 to change your characters appearance. I watched moist criticals video on it kept crashing.

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[-] Minotaur@lemm.ee 23 points 7 months ago

I get what they mean. A lot of the MTX seems to be items that you genuinely would find very readily in the game. Paying simply gives you a type of “very easy” mode if you’re for some reason inclined.

It’s a…. Strange decision, as it makes the game look bad. But by all accounts it doesn’t really impact the gameplay of the game. It’s just like giving you the option buy Phoenix Downs in Final Fantasy with real money. You… can. You really don’t need to, 98% of players won’t.

It’s goofy more than anything. I guess I’d rather have it rather than day 1 expansion packs like Mass Effect had.

[-] Fisk400@feddit.nu 79 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I love how certain consumers seems to have trained away their gag reflex.

[-] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 32 points 7 months ago

The thing is they made these features as part of the core gameplay then charged for them. It isn’t like you’re paying for a boost or game mode or special companion or something. You’re given the option to earn these features through playing a single player game or pay money and get them faster.

Literally carving out chunks of the base game and offering them up for money as if it is added value. The only value is saving time IN A SINGLE PLAYER GAME. If your single player game has elements that are so tedious or cumbersome that people will literally PAY MORE MONEY to get them on their terms you purposefully built a worse game than you could have.

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[-] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Especially ones like Minotaur who just started commenting on Lemmy 3 days ago…

What timing.

Edit: don’t forget that sometimes people post in defederated instances and sometimes app developers for your lemmy app are so behind that shit isn’t even loading for you properly anymore

[-] deur@feddit.nl 19 points 7 months ago

Not everything has to be a conspiracy, stupid people are created often.

[-] Minotaur@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago

I am not stupid because I have a differing opinion about video games than you do. Touch grass.

[-] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 7 points 7 months ago

Not stating anything as fact.

Just pointing out what facts were there and my obvious feelings about said fact.

But okay ig you can put me in that boat if you really want.

[-] Minotaur@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago

No you aren’t. You just made it up. I have comments going back months

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[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

I saw this same thing with games like Dead Space 3. They included a cash shop, very likely hard-pushed by some asinine executive. But, you could tell by playing the game, the majority of developers likely tested with that feature off. Was it a fun game? No, but resource starvation was not the reason for that.

Basically it feels like the hands trying to microtransact for singleplayer games are not the same as the ones designing those games to begin with. It still deserves negative attention, just nuance.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

Uh fast travel and character appearance change? This isn't some extra health potions. They've carved off part of the UI.

[-] TassieTosser@aussie.zone 12 points 7 months ago

Selling character changes when you can't start a new game without deleting all game data and cache.

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[-] Kyatto@leminal.space 15 points 7 months ago

"Of course they don't stop progress... you'll just be stuck grinding for way way longer with our patented unfun^tm^ systems unless you pay, ~~peasant~~ valued consumer"

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[-] Computerchairgeneral@fedia.io 157 points 7 months ago

The microtransactions are bad enough, but the fact that none of these were present in the build given to reviewers just makes it worse. I mean people would still be complaining about them, but I don't think the backlash would be as bad if Capcom had made it clear from the start that the game was going to be riddled with microtransactions.

[-] warm@kbin.earth 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Any reviews released in the first week of a game should be taken with a grain of salt and any reviews released on or before launch day should be completely discarded.

With all the 'day one' patches games have, reviewers should be playing the game from launch, on the same version as everyone else. If they have any integrity.

[-] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

I haven't followed the whole thing as I didn't have any desire to play the game, but assuming that's true that's a seriously shitty move and had to be intentional. Is there not some kind of bait and switch laws that would apply here?

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[-] Fisk400@feddit.nu 95 points 7 months ago

We are back to the arcade era where you had to put in more coins to get lives and the games are intensionally hard and unfair to get more coins.

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[-] Turious@leaf.dance 76 points 7 months ago

This is what I was afraid of 15 years ago. I couldn't tell you the last time I bought a AAA game. This release is so disgusting.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 7 months ago

They expect you to spend $60 on a game plus microtransactions?

I put away 50 to 100+ hours into games that cost me $15. Why doesn't everybody else do this? Does high-end 3D graphics actually matter that much to people?

[-] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

$70 nowadays.

Get fucked Capcom. Can always dig through backlog until it's reasonably priced and not a buggy mess.

Japanese company and poor business decisions are a match made in heaven. After success its almost like they race to shoot themselves in the foot.

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[-] mineralfellow@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Chess is free. No DLC. I have never stopped playing.

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Chess is free to play now, but for centuries it was more like shareware.

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[-] Amir@lemmy.ml 31 points 7 months ago

I couldn't tell you the last time I bought a AAA game.

BG3

[-] hexabs@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

It's kind of telling that when I play BG3 I can never label it a AAA game. My heart just doesn't accept it.

[-] xenoclast@lemmy.world 54 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'd give it a zero out of ten just for being an RPG with a single save slot. They failed at the starting line. The got the core of RPGs completely wrong. Taking a shit on it with MTX seems like this was deliberate self sabotage

[-] squid_slime@lemmy.world 48 points 7 months ago

I wish people would vote with they're wallets and be more conscious with they're spending habits.

[-] Minotaur@lemm.ee 28 points 7 months ago

It’s the most bizarre and almost worrying thing now how much video games have transitioned into this “game of the month” thing - where seemingly everyone with a computer all goes and buys the same game each month because it got hyped up by the twitch steamers they watch or whatever.

Just strange. “Are you playing Lethal Company? Everyone’s playing it. Oh, you wanna play Lethal Conpany? Everyone’s playing Palworld now. Oh shit man, we’re not playing that anymore, Dragons Dogma 2 is out”

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 21 points 7 months ago

It would make less sense if the games were single player and full price, but Lethal Company, Palworld, and Helldivers 2 are all at $40 or below for the base games and have a multi-player experience.

Of course people are going to jump on lower priced multi-player games with positive word of mouth quickly so they can play with their friends and get a few dozen hours or more entertainment.

[-] squid_slime@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

I noticed this after a hiatus from my gamer friend, when I reunited with them a few months back I saw how games would release and they'd buy it, even defend some aspects like kernel level anti cheat/micro-transactions as well as bad game design.

The hive mind seems somewhat new to me like I'd dabble with a few titles a year while spending considerably more time than the average gamer on my PC. And the fast action from lethal company to plate up to velhaim to palword/and hell divers over the last few months has been jarring maybe concerning too

[-] warm@kbin.earth 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

To be fair Lethal Company and Plate Up are fantastic games made by single devs and priced very fairly. It's not really the indie scene that's the problem, that's the holy grail right now. It's these big releases and "triple A" games that are all disgusting cash grabs driven by marketing and how many twitch streamers they can pay to play their game for the "hype".

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[-] glovecraft@infosec.pub 9 points 7 months ago

Those people have always been around. They want to be a part of the current conversation. And that's cool. There are plenty of people who wait years to play games until the ultimate version with all DLC goes on sale for 50% off. I'm one of those people. But I also don't care about being a part of the conversation. I'm just a patient gamer who never spends more than 15$ for a game.

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[-] antaymonkey@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago
[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

I do. Enough games are coming out, this is getting skipped!

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

I'm still playing Baldur's Gate. And you know I never did the new game plus of Witcher 3 with the magic based armor.

At this point I have a back log of games. I don't need to buy a new one.

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[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 38 points 7 months ago

I've waited ten years for this game and am loving playing it now that it's out but I'm still giving a negative review and not buying any MTX.

[-] Sigh_Bafanada@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago

I was thinking that Horizon Forbidden West had fucked up again and set their PC release for the same day as Dragon's Dogma 2.

But for once it actually worked out in their favour. Dragon's Dogma 2 has an awful PC port, while HFW is running very well.

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[-] infamousta@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The original dragons dogma had poor quality of life features and its arguably a large part of the appeal. No fast travel, no multiple saves. If you didn’t like your little ai character you had to advance pretty far to change it (and the same with fast travel, it sort of existed and was a surprisingly cool unique system but you had to get through a lot of the game for it). I’d compare it in a lot of ways to the first dark souls as far as not following gaming industry trends.

I was hoping dragons dogma 2 was more of the same honestly, I don’t think I care if travel stones can be purchased or whatever. Is it a bad game for those that liked the first one?

[-] TassieTosser@aussie.zone 16 points 7 months ago

I think the hate is them essentially selling a difficulty slider.

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

I wonder how many of those critically acclaimed reviews are going to be Rewritten. Certainly you'd have to be a completely lacking Integrity not to realize you were Bamboozled when you're giving a different product than the public is to review.

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