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Short of a major heart attack, Trump isn’t giving up one iota of power. Really helps to draw a contrast between the parties, where one guy is willing to step down and the other is prepared to crash the plane with us all in it.
He knows if he isn't elected, he's going to prison.
...or Russia.
Go directly to gulag, do not pass Mar-A-Lago.
This is depends if there are still top secret documents there.
A Russian prison would be a fitting setting for him. Hope he outlives his usefulness.
They wouldn't throw him in prison even if he could get there. They would put him on one of their propaganda "news" channels and let him go to town. They can subtitle whatever they want for the locals so he can say whatever.
But he'll never get there. He has a permanent secret service escort that probably isn't going to be cool with defecting to russia.
A good plan B if he was capable of planning on his own.
True. It wouldn't shock me if he did the Idi Amin thing.
I highly doubt the Feds would allow that.
I'm not so sure I agree that he will be held accountable for his actions if he doesn't win. I think he still narrowly avoids prison even if he doesn't win, or maybe only spends like 3 days maximum in prison, sadly.
I really don’t think his Supreme Court is going to allow him to have a custodial sentence. They showed they were fully on the Trump train by finding immunity in the constitution when it plainly reads otherwise.
There's also the possibility of house arrest. I'll take that.
It doesn’t seem like a real consequence. Also, what if he breaks it? Will there be a consequence for that? I don’t see it happening.
For most people, it would be a horrible punishment to be forced to spend your older years at one of his resorts*… surrounded exclusively by people who are happy to support him financially.
*or maybe “resort”, anybody know if you can stay at any impeached ex-presidential resorts besides mar-AHHHH!!!-lago?
lol:
i think the reason it's considered a resort is because hes only allowed to stay there for like 30 days at a time, no longer. Since it's not legally considered to be a "private residence" and that has something to do with it's tax status i think? Which i think is also due to it's zoning status.
I believe this is pretty common amongst rich people who own multiple properties.
I think you greatly overestimate who would plan on sticking around if Trump ended up disgraced after the election and under house arrest. He will have completely outlived his usefulness.
I hope so. Maybe it would just be these four
He is not a healthy man, Trump will die before he's held accountable for anything. He's lived a long life of being a terrible person and the only consequence he'll face for it is the stress of court cases through his final years and the knowledge that only 40ish% of voters would vote for him again.
You may be absolutely correct, but we know for a fact that he won't be held accountable if he does win.
I think it's because he knows that if he is elected he'll be President until old age and unhealthy living kill him, whether that's two years from now or twenty.
And who knows what the remaining government of Trumpistan will choose to do for his replacement after that.
He's not going to prison
Funny, Pete went on Fox and said just that!
lol she was trying so hard to interrupt him. Cable news is cancerous bs
Made it so much more satisfying
I definitely would not be able to remain as calm as Mr Buttigieg in this exchange.
He’s fighting the fight within the bounds of decency. And I applaud him for trying.
False. Biden wasn’t willing to step down. He was forced to. Just because he did it doesn’t make him a hero. He deserves to be remembered for refusing to listen to feedback until it was clear he’d be tanked by people like Pelosi, another Dem who won’t give up power unless it’s on her own terms. But we can move on from that mess, thankfully.
He was forced to, how? Nobody has the power to force him do anything.
He read the writing on the wall and stepped aside. Something Trump would never do.
I agree Trump would never step aside. I'm just saying Biden was put in a position where the support he needed wasn't there and they made it clear to him. He still could have run, but he was made to understand that he'd lose because he wouldn't have the backers he needed. Look at the cash KH is raking in. The right people let him know they wanted her / anyone else instead.
He was pressured to step down and then was ultimately willing to listen and do so. There was no method to force him to step down -- he had more than enough delegates locked in to win the nomination if he wanted to keep going.
Or he made sure to stand strong strategically (as anyone running would do) and stepped down at a time to maximize effectiveness.
No, he was planning to run again. His debate performance was the nail in the coffin.
Giving an incredible amount of credit where there's no evidence. Our politicians / politics aren't terribly complicated. There are people who want power and they act accordingly. And there are people who want to do some good. They might be the rare case where they don't get corrupted (Bernie). And then the rest gradually learn to live within the system and perpetuate it (possibly AOC; can't tell for sure, but it seems more like it as time passes).
i mean, he rightly, i think did what was expected. The incumbency advantage over someone like trump, especially with having pushed SO much productive legislation is a really safe bet, was it safe enough to win? Maybe?
I don't think people were expecting everyone to be super excited over kamala, until she showed up and started kicking ass.
up until that one debate, he was doing pretty ok. Not great, but not terrible enough to warrant completely removing him, which was why the DNC waited to nominate.
Was Biden not stubbornly refusing to step down for so long, until his party forced his hand? I think Democrats wanted someone younger than him in 2020 too. I think we’re giving Biden too much credit here.
You can bet that at least the last week of that was a matter of keeping up appearances. The transition went smoother than it had any right to, and that doesn't happen without a lot of behind the scenes planning.
Must’ve been a supervetted group who knew anything if reports are true some close aides were told minutes before the official announcement.
We must remember that Biden is a politician who arguably plagiarised lines of a speech from Kinnock, sinking his '87 campaign.
He's not some paragon of virtue and perfection.
His greatest achievement is also working with the Republicans. And look at how much respect that got him from that party.
dude i think every politican ever has plagiarized a speech. Even fucking trump, although i think it was ivanka? Idk, she stole michelle obamas speech iirc.
Also 87 was literally 35+ years ago.
Willing to step down is giving him too much credit. He was pushed out because Dems know he’ll lose. The parties are the same. It’s just business. They don’t love or care about you.
They couldn't force him. They convinced him it was the right thing to do.
Biden still stepped down, Trump never will. These are not the same picture.
81 year old man dogpilled by his party during a possibly fatal respiratory illness.
Don't give Biden too much credit here.