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[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago

Sure, but if you can and don’t vote for Biden it means you’re at least ok with Trump.

[-] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago

No, it means I'm not ok with genocide but you are.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

You have two options:

  • Ok with genocide. Otherwise relatively progressive. Has passed major important legislation.
  • Ok with genocide. Wants to be a dictator. Appointed half of the Supreme Court majority that took away women’s right to abortion. Will probably strip more rights if elected. Cut taxes on the wealthy and will probably do it again.

You can throw away your vote, but come inauguration, you will have a president who is ok with genocide.

[-] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago

But I will not have voted for one of them. But you will have and the blood will be on your hands.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

You have an abysmally stupid sense of morality.

[-] gbuttersnaps@programming.dev 21 points 1 year ago

I think some of these people have to be trolls. We're basically in the trolley problem where the trolley is headed for 100,000 people, and if you pull the lever it will only kill 1. You can't abstain from pulling the lever and act like you're completely innocent of the deaths of the masses.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That’s an awful lot of trolls.

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

the trolley problem tests you ethical framework, it does not have a prescribed solution. your answer to it helps you understand your own approach. deontologists never pull the lever.

[-] Zengen@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

If you truly oppose genocide. You should be plotting a coup against the US executive branch.

[-] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

We don’t know they aren’t.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

How is being against a genocide immoral?

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

If your morality prioritizes staunch adherence to standards over harm reduction, you have a stupid sense of morality.

It’s the kind of morality where someone would rather let a child die than push them out of the way of a speeding car, simply because pushing them would harm them.

Your morality should lead you to making decisions that result in the least harm. Look at it this way: if all of the people who voted third party instead of Hillary because Hillary wasn’t [insert moral standard here] enough had sucked it up and voted for Hillary, access to abortion would still be legal nationwide. (This assumes enough people to get her elected voted third party over moral objections.)

Trump is the worst president in my life time, by a huge margin, and he’s even more in favor of genocide than Biden, demonstrably. So if your sense of morality causes you to help put him in charge of our country again, in my mind, you’re a fucking moron.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Rebellion? I don't like hearing such a word from you," Ivan said with feeling. "One cannot live by rebellion, and I want to live. Tell me straight out, I call on you--answer me: imagine that you yourself are building the edifice of human destiny with the object of making people happy in the finale, of giving them peace and rest at last, but for that you must inevitably and unavoidably torture just one tiny creature, that same child who was beating her chest with her little fist, and raise your edifice on the foundation of her unrequited tears--would you agree to be the architect on such conditions? Tell me the truth."
"No, I would not agree," Alyosha said softly.
"And can you admit the idea that the people for whom you are building would agree to accept their happiness on the unjustified blood of a tortured child, and having accepted it, to remain forever happy?"
"No, I cannot admit it.

Fyodor Dostoyevsky — The Brothers Karamazov

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Ok cool. Your choice is between genocide, and genocide but worse. You can proclaim how righteous and moral you are that all the pain everyone around you is feeling is not your fault, because you merely threw your vote away, but that won’t change the outcome, and it won’t make you anything but a moron.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It’s my fault Biden won’t declare his intentions to stop the genocide. I’m to blame everybody. My vote has doomed us all. The horror.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

“And can you admit the idea that the people for whom you are building would agree to accept their happiness on the unjustified blood of a tortured child, and having accepted it, to remain forever happy?”

"No, I cannot admit it."

Dostoevsky never met American liberals lol.

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But then if Trump wins because you didn’t vote for either, then you’re ok with Genocide+ rather than Genocide light. Meaning you have to vote for the lesser of the two evils if no matter what you do the majority are voting for the only two who are likely to win.

You’re either incredibly stupid, a troll, or are being obstinate on purpose.

[-] krzschlss@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Genocide light? Seriously?!? If the other guy is stupid, you are stupid+

There is no democracy if you are supporting genocide. There is no election worth voting on if the outcome is same fucking fascist, just with different colored flags. And don’t give me the lie how you’re gonna do something about a ‘genocide light’ if your guy is elected. Fuck off

This whole country needs to stop sucking Kissinger’s dick and change this bloodthirsty, greedy fascist system.

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[-] krzschlss@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Ask the people in Gaza what they think about "Roe got overturned".

After all said and nothing done, we are paying for those bullets that murder their children by accepting and even promoting a system that gives us braindead mouthpieces for weapon manufacturers to vote for.

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Small problem. A person who is against genocide would not be okay with a genocide under Trump either, so why should they be okay with a genocide under Biden?

Did you even read anything I wrote.

The outcome of the election is going to be Trump or Biden. NOBODY ELSE IS GOING TO WIN.

So given that you have to choose the person less likely to escalate the situation, the saner one of the two.

I’m not saying it’s good I think it’s fucking abhorrent, but there is no choice.

To be abundantly clear about my stance on Palestine. I am out every weekend protesting in solidarity with Palestine. I am spreading awareness of the issue wherever I can and I am taking direct action against the companies that support the genocide.

Let me ask you this. What do you think is going to happen if you don’t vote?

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If a genocide is going to occur regardless of the vote, then the vote doesn’t matter.

Let me ask you this. What do you think is going to happen if you don’t vote?

In regards to what? The genocide? Project 2025? Healthcare?

If people want to vote for Joe Biden to preserve LGBT and minority rights, that’s their choice. If someone wants to not vote for Biden because he is aiding in a genocide, that’s their choice.

It’s egotistical to think that my priorities are more important than others.

[-] papertowels@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

If a genocide is going to occur regardless of the vote, then the vote doesn’t matter.

Do you think that more people in Palestine will suffer if trump is elected?

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[-] papertowels@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago

So.... What do you think are the odds that your third party vote improves the situation in Palestine?

If your third party vote makes it more likely that Trump wins and results in more bloodshed, that is a choice you contributed to, and blood is still on your hands.

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[-] papertowels@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

virtue-signalling : the act or practice of conspicuously displaying one's awareness of and attentiveness to political issues, matters of social and racial justice, etc., especially instead of taking effective action

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The argument for voting against left-wing or socialist candidates on the grounds that they can’t win and are therefore helping the right wing into power has, of course, been a time-worn argument in the United States against bucking the two-party system. Engels, in an 1893 letter to an American colleague, pointed out that in the United States, the formation of a workers’ party is hindered by the "Constitution…which makes it appear as though every vote were lost that is cast for a candidate not put up by one of the two governing parties." isreview

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

If you don't vote against fascism, you allowed fascism.

[-] turtletracks@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago

Not voting is a vote for Trump.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That’s not logical. So, if my choices are pizza or nuggies, and I choose neither. Then I chose nuggies? Make it make sense.

I may be intermittent fasting to lose weight, or rejecting imperialist capitalism.

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[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Cool, I'll give you a pass on the genocide, but you will still be as responsible as anyone who voted for Trump for all the other terrible things he said he will do that you are doing nothing to prevent.

[-] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

If you're not ok with genocide you should vote against Donald "just nuke them" Trump.

[-] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

I am going to. Who said I'm not?

Voting for anyone but Biden is the same as voting for Trump.

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