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[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 13 points 7 months ago

Why is that a criticism? This is how it works for humans too: we study, we learn the stuff, and then try to recall it during tests. We've been trained on the data too, for neither a human nor an ai would be able to do well on the test without learning it first.

This is part of what makes ai so "scary" that it can basically know so much.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 23 points 7 months ago

Dont anthropomorphise. There is quite the difference between a human and an advanced lookuptable.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I absolutely agree. However, if you think the LLMs are just fancy LUTs, then I strongly disagree. Unless, of course, we are also just fancy LUTs.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 13 points 7 months ago

I don't think we are turing computable. So I don't think we are fancy LUTs.

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 7 months ago

Heretic! Burn the witch!….wait what did they say about ….!

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

You ever meet an ai researcher with a background in biology? I’ve discussed this stuff with one. She disagrees with Turing about machines thinking including when ai is in the picture. They process information very differently from how biology does

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

This is a vague non answer, although I agree it's done very differently because our process is biological and ai is not.

But as I asked elsewhere, what's the effective difference?

[-] self@awful.systems 18 points 7 months ago

so to summarize, your only contributions to this thread are to go “well uh you just don’t know how LLMs work” while providing absolutely no detail of your own, and reporting our regulars for “Civility” when they rightly called you out for being a fucking idiot who’s way out of their depth

how fucking embarrassing for you

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 13 points 7 months ago
[-] dgerard@awful.systems 10 points 7 months ago

the report queue can be comedy gold at times

[-] pyrex@awful.systems 6 points 7 months ago
[-] dgerard@awful.systems 5 points 7 months ago

we prefer to let the trail of "removed by mod" speak for itself

[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 8 points 7 months ago
[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 7 months ago

on the topic of which, this crossed my feed earlier

[-] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 13 points 7 months ago

You're asking how to tell the difference between a chatbot and a human being?

[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 18 points 7 months ago

LLMs know nothing. literally. they cannot.

[-] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 14 points 7 months ago

Yeah but neither did Socrates

[-] dgerard@awful.systems 17 points 7 months ago

but he at least was smug about it

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

I guess it comes down to a philosophical question as to what "know" actually means.

But from my perspective is that it certainly knows some things. It knows how to determine what I'm asking, and it clearly knows how to formulate a response by stitching together information. Is it perfect? No. But neither are humans, we mistakenly believe we know things all the time, and miscommunications are quite common.

But this is why I asked the follow up question...what's the effective difference? Don't get me wrong, they clearly have a lot of flaws right now. But my 8 year old had a lot of flaws too, and I assume both will get better with age.

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 20 points 7 months ago

nearly every word of your post demonstrates a comprehensively thorough lack of understanding of how this shit works

it also demonstrates why you're lost about the "effective difference"

I don't mean this aggressively, but you really don't have any concrete idea of wtf you're talking about, and it shows

[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 19 points 7 months ago

i guess it comes down to a philosophical question

no, it doesn't, and it's not a philosophical question (and neither is this a question of philosophy).

the software simply has no cognitive capabilities.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

I'm not sure I agree, but then it goes to my second question:

What's the effective difference?

[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 16 points 7 months ago

(…) perception, attention, thought, imagination, intelligence, comprehension, the formation of knowledge, memory and working memory, judgment and evaluation, reasoning and computation, problem-solving and decision-making (…)

[-] braxy29@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

don't know why you got downvoted, an LLM is essentially a chinese room, and whether such a room "knows" is still the question.

[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 17 points 7 months ago
[-] petrol_sniff_king 10 points 7 months ago

Thanks for that read.

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 11 points 7 months ago

Good god it’s a hydra

[-] self@awful.systems 11 points 7 months ago

don’t know why you got banned

[-] techMayhem@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Someone in the chinese room would not know anything about their in- or output. Sure you memorized that a certain set of symbols means your output should contain another set of symbols, but what do you actually "know" about these symbols.

But you have no idea what it's about. Is it a greeting? A recipe for some pasta? Instructions to build a bomb? Could be anything.

[-] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 18 points 7 months ago

Yeah, it’s a philosophical question, which means you need a philosophical answer. Spitballing won’t help you figure shit out a priori because it turns out that learning how to think a priori effectively takes years of hard graft and is called “studying philosophy”. You should be asking people like me what “know” means in this context and what distinguishes memory in human beings from “memory” in an LLM (a great deal, as it happens!)

[-] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 14 points 7 months ago

don't compare your child to a chatbot wtf

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 13 points 7 months ago

The dehumanization that happens just because people think LLMs are impressive (they are, just not that impressive) is insane.

[-] ebu@awful.systems 9 points 7 months ago

need to be able to think LLM's are impressive, probably

surely tech will save us all, right?

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