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"Medical freedom", the rallying cry for all kinds of grifters spreading disinformation and wanting to roll back the progress made in public health.
And they don't seem to like the fact that they have the freedom to filter the fluoride back out of the water.
...what?
AND THEY DON'T SEEM TO LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE THE FREEDOM TO FILTER THE FLUORIDE BACK OUT OF THE WATER.
fluoride is not easy to filter - its smaller than water molecules.
Right.
Let's put any amount of contaminates in our drinking water just so people can "filter them out."
I swear, some of you people are just too far gone.
Again, there are places where fluoride occurs naturally in drinking water at higher concentrations than it is added artificially and there don't seem to be significant health problems.
Hmmmmm no ! I'm not against fluoride in water, I don't care since I don't live in north america but spreading disinformation does not help.
There is regions, especially in India, where fluoride occurs by naturally in water in high concentration which is causing multiple serious health issues.
Neurology of endemic skeletal fluorosis
"There are higher concentrations of fluoride in water than we usually put in it that is still healthy to drink" != "Any concentration of fluoride in water is safe"
Any substance becomes toxic if you ingest too much of it. If you exceed by a factor of 20 the amount of plenty of things people usually consume, it isn't difficult to find things that are dangerous or even lethal. Say, coffee, beer, anti-inflammatories, chocolate, Coke.
Cool. I said higher concentrations that are added artificially, not extremely high concentration.
I'm simply replying that there is places where fluoride occurs naturally in drinking water at higher concentration that it is added artificially and there is significant health problems in these places.
Does it means that fluoride in low concentration like in the US water system is dangerous ? No, it just means that very high concentration can be dangerous.
I was talking about concentrations in the U.S. I think that should have been obvious.
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Says who?
Yes, the World Heath Organization (WHO) does say it is not a contaminent and that appropriate levels are needed.
WHO is never wrong.
all scientists and health authorities are wrong so instead we should believe a wacky guy on the internet with no sources, credentials, or evidence? Ok...
I never said that.
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Complains about cherrypicking as he cherrypicks.
Lol. Jk. They're right about most things, but are they right about everything?
That's the problem with treating science like a religion.
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Literally every person who understands science and water treatment
Didn't know there were so many water experts on lemmy.
Lol three weeks later... I know you're being facetious, but I'm literally an engineer. I'd rather not dox myself so I won't be more specific, but yes I do know about water treatment.
Sure you do.
Lol the funny thing is that comebacks like that are completely worthless when the thing I originally said is actually true.
It reminds me a bit of the "you still live in your mom's basement," insult. Like it just falls flat when you say it to someone who's lived alone for a decade... It just doesn't work.
But I don't need to prove shit to some idiot on the internet.
Okay man.
"Contaminants" 🙄
medical freedom for me, but not for thee who want no more penis.
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Or, give people the option to choose for themselves.
Scientific consensus has been wrong many times before, and it will be wrong many times again.
You do have the option to choose for yourself.
You can not only choose to filter it out, you can choose which filter you want to purchase from a selection. Here you go. https://apexwaterfilters.com/blogs/top-5-water-filters-to-remove-fluoride-from-water/
Right.
Let’s put any amount of contaminates in our drinking water just so people can “filter them out.”
Someone mentioned arsenic earlier in this thread, and I think I can find some study that says arsenic is good for you. Let's add it to our water and anyone who thinks it's harmful can just filter it out.
Also, I'm adding my fecal matter to the water supply to improve people's microbiomes. They can just filter it out if they don't like it.
Fluoride is not a contaminant, but please do find a study that says arsenic is good for you. This should be interesting.
Says who?
https://gizmodo.com/hey-remember-when-people-used-to-eat-arsenic-as-a-heal-1676316276
It's not a study, but there was a time when people believed arsenic wasn't poisonous. There were most likely scientists back in the day advocating for its usage. You can find their work if you're really interested.
A more recent and easier to research example would be all the "studies" saying lead is safe. Do I have to specifically point to those, or can you understand my point without it?
Okay, so note what you claimed.
It's not my job to prove you aren't lying.
I mean, if you don't want to understand then you won't understand.
I've done my part. If you want to replace arsenic with lead, then will it make sense?
Probably not because you don't want to understand.
Also,
Says who?
You conveniently ignored this part.
Sure, if you can show me a scientific study that claims that lead is not a contaminant.
Correct. I will continue to until you show me the scientific studies you claim exists or admit you made them up.
Ohhh can I partake in this.
Fluoride contamination, consequences and removal techniques in water - https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2022/va/d1va00039j
See look at the scary headline, and the first sentence - "Fluoride contamination has created a drinking water crisis globally."
Only downside to this paper... it kinda mentions how great it is for humans to consume low levels of flouride.
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