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[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 54 points 1 year ago

It's a two party system. You vote Biden or get Trump. Trump has less problem with ethnic cleansing. If fact Trump is the kind that might try it in the US.

[-] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 23 points 1 year ago

He already has plans for it, and using the military to do it. He has made it clear he plans to go full fascist right from day one if he were to win again. It's his only way to not spend the rest of his life in prison (and he loves the idea of being a dictator).

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think if he tries that, the US breaks down as there is no way everyone will go with it.

Trump winning is a win for the enemies of the US and a win for the enemies of the wider free world.

Edit: Add a few words for clarity.

[-] doingless@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

That's true but Biden winning accomplishes the same. No this isn't a both sides argument, it's understanding that many outside nations have invested in dividing our nation politically. The only win would be a 3rd party win and that won't happen in my lifetime.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago

That is a both sides argument. Trump is a new level of bad. If you want to have any chance of a future with a better political system, you want to keep Trump out. If you don't vote Biden, you can't complain if you get Trump.

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Trump is only a "new level of bad" to liberals that weren't paying attention before.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

See if you still feel like if he gets in and does things like taking measures to stay in longer than another single term, withdraw from NATO and the UN.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Do you promise?

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I wasn't planning on voting for trump, but when you put it that way....

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[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So Biden is allowed to do whatever he wants, we are obligated to vote for him, as long as he's just a tiny bit less bad than trump would be?

[-] jimbo@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Logically, yes, unless you come up with another option that realistically results in a better outcome. Nobody's asking you to be happy about the shitty state of affairs.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago

That's why the system has to change. Trump will change the system, but not the way you want at all.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You're allowed to pretend that you won't get Trump if you don't vote for Biden. It's bullshit but noone can stop you being delusional

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What's the point of living if I have to vote for genocide?

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You think Trump is less pro-genocide? Until you can change the system, you end up choosing who you think is less genocidy.

Edit: spelling

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

You misunderstand.

If my only choices are to vote for "genocide" and "more genocide", why shouldn't I cast a 9mm ballot into the roof of my mouth?

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

No, it is you don't understand. You have a "Trolley problem". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

You don't have the options you want to have. I'm sorry, but you don't. We have to deal with the world as it is to have any chance to make it as we want it.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

If I throw myself under the trolley wheels I might derail it. Happened in Tunisia.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

And how does that translate into a two party voting system? One is multiple times worse than other. What can you do so neither ends up president? Nothing. You only choice is to choose the least bad.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I referenced Tunisia because a man committing suicide literally changed their government.

If the only choice is "genocide lite" and "genocide deluxe" then the system must be destroyed.

If my only choice is to vote for genocide then I want to die.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Those two presidential cadets are your only choices for president. Please do not kill yourself over it. I can't see how it would even be noticed by the process, let alone change it. Be just another tragedy for another family.

Again, don't kill yourself or even talk about it.

[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

So you're saying in order to participate in the US electoral system you must make yourself responsible for some level of genocide? Contrary to lesser evil voters, you're not responsible for other peoples votes, but you are responsible for yours. The fact that about 4 gerrymandered states determine the election is not my fault and doesn't necessitate my participation in condoning any more genocide than I legally have to when I pay taxes.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

In the broken systems we both have, all you can do is tactically vote based on the outcomes you want the least. While arguing for better voting systems.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Well it'd have to be suitably public, but a suicide of a street vendor helped kick off the Arab Spring. Mohamed Bouazizi achieved a lot.

Besides that, if every vote I cast is a vote for genocide, then don't I deserve to die? Have you listened to the interviews? Have you seen the bodies in the rubble? I'd rather kill myself than support that, and if everything I do supports genocide then I should kill myself. I deserve it.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

But you're not voting for Genocide. Noone is giving you that option. Your vote or lack thereof has no effect on whether the US supports Israel's Genocide of the PalestiniN people. If you want to oppose the genocide, join a march. Put up posters

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You literally are voting for genocide. You are telling the US government "yes, more of this please"

You could withhold your vote to put pressure on Biden's administration. You won't do that. Biden sees every blue-no-matter-who voter as a guaranteed vote and a reason to not change his policies in any way. They've literally said as much! They have said they aren't worried about elections because Republicans are worse. This is what you've created, you voted for it.

[-] nomous@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nah this is what voter apathy and "my way or nothing" gets you.

Fascists eagerly ready to vote and do-nothings who just complain online and do absolutely 0 work to get what they want.

Seems like you have a really well thought out solution though. Can't see any holes in your logic there, don't let me stop you.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nah this is what voter apathy and “my way or nothing” gets you.

This is what voting for Joe Biden got us! I voted for him to stop fascism and now he's supporting genocide. We're complicit.

Do you think you're blameless? That it's not your fault? We chose this! It's our fault that a genocide is happening. We voted for this. Our tax money is blowing up children as we speak. Do you feel no guilt? No shame? No responsibility?

We chose this. We're cosigners on this genocide. We voted for this. It makes me want to fucking kill myself.

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[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Trump isn't winning the Republican primary.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

Be certainly be good of Republicans come back from the edge. If the players are more balanced, the system can start to be adjusted to get away from being just Red vs Blue.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ya, Independent, Green, Libertarian, Constitution.

Those parties don't exist.

The genocidal fascist whose boots you're licking told you so.

[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Well good luck with that. I hope you guys don't vote in Trump again, for all our sake.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well, good luck with that.

I hope your rhetoric doesn't perpetuate the cycle of America lesser eviling it to Ultra Mega Hitler as POTUS.

Edit: To clarify, Trump is currently strangled by litigation diet coke button and removing a bike rack harmless loudmouth capable not Hitler with 60 percent of a country ready to fight him status.

Biden however has made the Democrat base support genocide.

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