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What's the point of living if I have to vote for genocide?
You think Trump is less pro-genocide? Until you can change the system, you end up choosing who you think is less genocidy.
Edit: spelling
You misunderstand.
If my only choices are to vote for "genocide" and "more genocide", why shouldn't I cast a 9mm ballot into the roof of my mouth?
No, it is you don't understand. You have a "Trolley problem". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem
You don't have the options you want to have. I'm sorry, but you don't. We have to deal with the world as it is to have any chance to make it as we want it.
If I throw myself under the trolley wheels I might derail it. Happened in Tunisia.
And how does that translate into a two party voting system? One is multiple times worse than other. What can you do so neither ends up president? Nothing. You only choice is to choose the least bad.
I referenced Tunisia because a man committing suicide literally changed their government.
If the only choice is "genocide lite" and "genocide deluxe" then the system must be destroyed.
If my only choice is to vote for genocide then I want to die.
Those two presidential cadets are your only choices for president. Please do not kill yourself over it. I can't see how it would even be noticed by the process, let alone change it. Be just another tragedy for another family.
Again, don't kill yourself or even talk about it.
I'm not supporting it, I'm saying this is the reality. That you have to work with what you have.
I don't believe in the killing anyone. Including not agreeing with death penalty for anyone.
You honestly think the choice isn't Biden or Trump? (If nothing unexpected happens)
Yer, if lots of you think like that, philosophically not tactically, we all get Trump. Men like him you only normally get to vote on once, then it's a life term they take. You managed to escape that the first time, the insurrection failed. Second time, he'll try harder.
"The perfect is the enemy of thr good"
Yer, was thinking of calling it to. I tried. Hope you guys don't end to with Trump, for all our sake.
So you're saying in order to participate in the US electoral system you must make yourself responsible for some level of genocide? Contrary to lesser evil voters, you're not responsible for other peoples votes, but you are responsible for yours. The fact that about 4 gerrymandered states determine the election is not my fault and doesn't necessitate my participation in condoning any more genocide than I legally have to when I pay taxes.
In the broken systems we both have, all you can do is tactically vote based on the outcomes you want the least. While arguing for better voting systems.
What does that achieve?
Well it'd have to be suitably public, but a suicide of a street vendor helped kick off the Arab Spring. Mohamed Bouazizi achieved a lot.
Besides that, if every vote I cast is a vote for genocide, then don't I deserve to die? Have you listened to the interviews? Have you seen the bodies in the rubble? I'd rather kill myself than support that, and if everything I do supports genocide then I should kill myself. I deserve it.
But you're not voting for Genocide. Noone is giving you that option. Your vote or lack thereof has no effect on whether the US supports Israel's Genocide of the PalestiniN people. If you want to oppose the genocide, join a march. Put up posters
You literally are voting for genocide. You are telling the US government "yes, more of this please"
You could withhold your vote to put pressure on Biden's administration. You won't do that. Biden sees every blue-no-matter-who voter as a guaranteed vote and a reason to not change his policies in any way. They've literally said as much! They have said they aren't worried about elections because Republicans are worse. This is what you've created, you voted for it.
Nah this is what voter apathy and "my way or nothing" gets you.
Fascists eagerly ready to vote and do-nothings who just complain online and do absolutely 0 work to get what they want.
Seems like you have a really well thought out solution though. Can't see any holes in your logic there, don't let me stop you.
This is what voting for Joe Biden got us! I voted for him to stop fascism and now he's supporting genocide. We're complicit.
Do you think you're blameless? That it's not your fault? We chose this! It's our fault that a genocide is happening. We voted for this. Our tax money is blowing up children as we speak. Do you feel no guilt? No shame? No responsibility?
We chose this. We're cosigners on this genocide. We voted for this. It makes me want to fucking kill myself.
Has he done that?
Relatively? Yeah.
Melodramatic much? Unfortunately the world doesn't revolve around you or I and we can really only impact the things and people around us. It's important to recognize the things we can effect and acknowledge that our impact on the greater world may be minimal at times but not to be discouraged.
Relatively? No.
I acknowledge I'm extremely lucky to be born in the "first world" and be fortunate enough to be able to shelter myself and feed myself (for now at least). I actively try to help when I can; that means volunteering, donating (time/money), working a weekend every month or so in your community to try to make it better.
I didn't vote for this in the primaries or the general, I didn't work the phone banks or canvas for it so I'm not sure who "we" is.
Yeah obviously you're depressed as fuck, I get it. Don't do that though, it won't solve anything and will actually make the world a worse place. I'm actually in therapy working on some things myself, you can PM if you ever want to talk about anything.
No! He's doing genocide!
Why not? You voted for those bombs. You payed for those bombs.
This is our fundamental disconnect. You don't seem to think you are responsible for your active support of genocide, yet somehow by not voting for genocide I am responsible. It's pure ideology.
Is every Gazan responsible for the actions of their leadership? Is every Israeli responsible for the actions of their leadership? You're reducing an incredibly complicated issue to black and white.
Don't get me wrong I'd love for the U.S. to not be involved in the M.E. at all but that's not the situation we're working with. You accuse me of ideology while failing to grasp the realpolitik involved. You're demanding a binary solution to a Base10 problem.
The realpolitik is that the US needs Israel as an unsinkable aircraft carrier to control North Africa and the Middlr East and the Arab Peninsula. It is a critical piece of the empire. That's why the US supports Israel. It's all about trade routes and securing hegemony and shit like that.
Now, if you aren't going to take responsibility for voting for Biden, then I'm not going to take responsibility for refusing to vote for Biden. That seems fair.
And when American Nazis are rounding up drag queens and sending trans people to re-education camps you can smugly sip your tea and know that you voted your principles.
I don't think you know what "literally" means.
No, actually, I'll be rounded up too. I'm trans, they're going to fucking kill me if they can get away with it.
But hey, if it's not your fault Biden is supporting genocide even though you're voting for it, the how the fuck is it my fault if Trump does genocide when I don't vote for it?