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I will vote for Joe Biden if he publicly condemns Israel. From his lips. In an address to the nation.
I will not if he doesn't.
Simple as that.
It's a two party system. You vote Biden or get Trump. Trump has less problem with ethnic cleansing. If fact Trump is the kind that might try it in the US.
He already has plans for it, and using the military to do it. He has made it clear he plans to go full fascist right from day one if he were to win again. It's his only way to not spend the rest of his life in prison (and he loves the idea of being a dictator).
I think if he tries that, the US breaks down as there is no way everyone will go with it.
Trump winning is a win for the enemies of the US and a win for the enemies of the wider free world.
Edit: Add a few words for clarity.
Do you promise?
That's true but Biden winning accomplishes the same. No this isn't a both sides argument, it's understanding that many outside nations have invested in dividing our nation politically. The only win would be a 3rd party win and that won't happen in my lifetime.
That is a both sides argument. Trump is a new level of bad. If you want to have any chance of a future with a better political system, you want to keep Trump out. If you don't vote Biden, you can't complain if you get Trump.
So Biden is allowed to do whatever he wants, we are obligated to vote for him, as long as he's just a tiny bit less bad than trump would be?
Logically, yes, unless you come up with another option that realistically results in a better outcome. Nobody's asking you to be happy about the shitty state of affairs.
That's why the system has to change. Trump will change the system, but not the way you want at all.
You're allowed to pretend that you won't get Trump if you don't vote for Biden. It's bullshit but noone can stop you being delusional
What's the point of living if I have to vote for genocide?
You think Trump is less pro-genocide? Until you can change the system, you end up choosing who you think is less genocidy.
Edit: spelling
You misunderstand.
If my only choices are to vote for "genocide" and "more genocide", why shouldn't I cast a 9mm ballot into the roof of my mouth?
Trump isn't winning the Republican primary.
Be certainly be good of Republicans come back from the edge. If the players are more balanced, the system can start to be adjusted to get away from being just Red vs Blue.
Idiotic reason to vote for Trump who is far worse toward Palestine.
Then the democratic party should make the most basic effort to condemn genocide. I wont vote for the support of genocide. It's really not a high bar. It's frankly pathetic that you are suggesting we have accept that. That makes you explicitly in support of the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the people of Palestine. You are evil.
Plenty of them are. But you're willing to toss them all out with a figurehead. The AICP is currently campaigning against several Democrats for calling out the genocide .Yeah Biden's out of touch and a bit problematic. But this is the height of self-defeating virtue signaling. Not that it has stopped a lot of you in the past. San timoniously and hypocritically criticizing everyone else while doing nothing to make the situation actually better. Soothing your own conscience with trying to convince yourself that you're meaningless gesture was worth it.
Biden is what we are saddled with and it could be far worse. You need to take care of business this election cycle and the moment it's over start pushing better people for 2028 or sooner.
What if I hate America? Who should I vote for? 🤔
That's what people said last election. We always have to push them to be better the next election. Always settle for worse. What a shit electoral system the US has. And the hilarious part is that unless that person you're talking to lives in a swing state their vote probably doesn't matter anyway.
Very nice, you have made genocide into nothing more than virtue signaling. You are gross, your arguments are gross and it is your continued support to the establish us political system and parties that gave us trump to begin with.
Keep on virtue, signaling. And whatever you do don't do anything that might actually help.
It's very telling that you can't address any of the points I made. Acting offended is all you've got.
You are offensive.
You are performing outrage poorly.
Oh my, you got me.
100% and it's not any sort of achievement. Even. You all are very predictable. So much talk and whining. So a little action and solutions.
You can't even hold a debate. You can't even argue your points. The whole time you've been doing but nothing but making strawmen and accusing people of random bullshit just because they disagree with you. Classic ML move. Not all of us can be children well into adulthood. At some point most of us happen to have to grow up. You may be the exception.
Reality requires compromise. Reality requires strategy. You are not going to get everything you want. Even part of the time. You have to work within the systems that exist to achieve the results you want. And the fucked up situation right now. Is that Biden is the best chance a lot of Palestinians etc have coming from the US. It will be either be him or Trump.
You at best will either not vote. Or cast your vote for someone who never stood a chance of ever achieving the presidency and doing absolutely zero to help out these poor people being genocided that you pretend to be so concerned about. All so you can make some excuse to yourself about how you are somehow superior to everyone around you. Because that's all that's important to you. Virtue signaling and feigning superiority. You can't even make a hard decision to do the best thing possible to actually help people. Even something so small. It's beyond you.
I'm evil? Strong language for someone suggesting Trump is a worse alternative than Biden.
You are evil and acting in bad faith. It's hard to imagine how you think wanting a president who will condemn genocide means supporting trump. You don't, you want to continue the dishonest dialog that the only discourse is we must accept the democratic party as is or else. What it is a threat and acting in bad faith.
Stop doing that you insufferable pea-brained dolt.
Not voting for Biden doesn't mean I'm voting for Trump.
Idiots like you sit there like your vote is a party popper you MUST use to show if your streamers and confetti are blue or red.
I am disgusted with the options I am presented with. I get no streamers or confetti...
Unless Biden condemns the Israeli genocide of Palestine and champions imposing massive embargoes on Israel while fully ceasing any funding in full.
Then I might believe he (and the DNC) are humbling WAY the fuck up, listening to their constituents, and correcting course is the SMALLEST of ways.
I vote for anyone but Biden, or even a no vote, is a vote for Trump.
If you think Palestine is in bad shape under Biden, try to imagine how much worse it'd be with Trump.
The only way to get Democrat candidates on the left is to crush the right wing so that the Overton window moves.
You are the uncle Tom piece of shit that has lead this country here.
I do not vote for Biden. I do not vote for Trump.
You can't make me.
Your rhetoric is outdated, idiotic, and counter-productive.
One of those two will be president no matter what you do. They will then be in a position capable of inflicting great damage. Trump will use that position to hurt more people than Biden. The math here isn't complicated, and it continually astounds me how many people on the left cannot actually solve the trolly problem when faced with it for real. It really shows which people are engaged in politics as a means to an end rather than as personal expression or a hobby.
Dont. Support. Genocidal. Fascists.
I don't support anyone. I oppose the worst outcome, and seek to steer our course away from it. Only narcissists and hobbyists hyperventilate about who they are "supporting".
I engage in politics as a means to an end and nothing more. I take the best option available and I move on to the next task. To do otherwise is to value the self above the collective, and as a communist that is not a luxury I'm afforded.
Nobody is going to make you vote one way or another, but please recognize the following:
The United States is currently a two party system. It sucks. We need to push for more ranked choice voting, as well as direct popular vote.
However, until we're able to achieve something that makes this parties viable, we will continue to have issues with the right wing getting undue influence in our politics.
Vote with your heart, but make sure that you're okay with another Trump presidency of you decide not to vote for Biden.
Keep in mind as you do so that more than one state had enough votes for Jill Stein that if they had gone to Hillary, Trump never would have become president.
We should have viable parties outside of the two not great to horrible parties we have now. But that's simply not the way our government works as it stands now.
Last thing: you've become a single issue voter. This is the lefty equivalent of only caring about abortion and ignoring literally everything else. Politics is complicated, and I personally find single issue voters incredibly shortsighted and lazy.
Considering... considering... nope, wont support genocide.
First they think of not voting. That's one vote for Trump.
Then they decide to vote for Trump. That's two votes for Trump!
By this logic, every dollar you don't donate to Biden is a dollar donated to Trump.
I ask you, if there is one party that tries you stop you from voting in any way they can, doesn't you not voting play into their hand?
Just stop supporting genocide; this isn't hard.
I don't think any presidential candidate would do that, even if that's how they really felt. It'd be political suicide.
You don't think any candidate would condemn genocide. Condemning genocide as a US presidential candidate is suicide...
Isn't that how fucked America is in a nutshell.
I don't believe you would at all tbh.
Just another concern troll pretend you give a fuck.
You think having a Republican president is going to improve the situation?