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this post was submitted on 12 Dec 2023
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Am I the only one who hates that the place for "discussion" is Discord? I feel there are better options but I see it far too often these days... sigh
Discord is terrible. But it’s also easy to set up & easy wins out over good but annoying every time.
My biggest issue with Discord is that most discussion boards moved there and it's ridiculously hard to find anything there. Plus it's a privacy nightmare..
Yup. Discoverability in Discord servers is dire. The privacy issues are the bonus shit topping.
“How dare you not read through six months of discussion threads in order to find the last time your question was answered” is such a great way to welcome newbies to a project.
Discord is actually pretty good at the thing it was designed for: realtime comms between friends, both text & voice. It’s terrible at everything else & I wish people would stop using it, but it doesn’t seem like that’s going to happen any time soon.
what do you mean you don’t want to beg answers out of the most hostile parts of an inevitably toxic, entrenched discord community just to know how to fire up the expensive open source hardware you’ve purchased? oh the search feature discord is actively making worse didn’t surface any answers? then suffer
*scene*...It's Fine, Guize. discord totally won't hold all this history and context for ransom the moment it suits their income model or it feels convenient to do so, they're not like Slack. look at all these free features! we need to learn nothing from the past!
god.... I just want to enjoy being able to post gifs during this conference? what's so hard to understand?! ....gah, stop overreacting so much...
*/scene*(just in case it's hard to tell, I'm rather not a fan of this state of affairs)
[e: lemmy ate my scenetags [e2: wow it has really shitty filters for this]]
but the alternatives don’t have the group voice chat and screen sharing and nazis I use for gaming. therefore I will continue to use discord for everything, especially the non-gaming stuff it sucks at
I remember sorta kinda getting back into lulnix maybe 15 years ago? something like that, and being astounded that people were expected to ask and get answers on IRC. Discord is just an extension of that .
Oh yeah and almost all those projects on IRC got hosed by the Andrew Lee takeover of Freenode.
I'm curious about this...got a link where I can read up?
Here's my writeup
https://gerikson.com/blog/comm/Farrago-of-Freenode-fuckery.html
Thanks. This is pretty crazy.
Someone “accidentally” blocks a CIDR /16 block.
Haha. This made me crack up.
Ah thanks I was also curious, but not curious enough to ask.
this seems like an even earlier, worse, and faster enshittification than what happened to reddit, but nobody learned from it
It was super-niched, effectively no-one gives a shit about IRC.
I'm not aware of any complete histories, but these two articles have the gist of it, while unfortunately missing out on a LOT of the weird things that Andrew Lee said while doing it:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/freenode-irc-has-been-taken-over-by-the-crown-prince-of-korea/
https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/26/freenode_irc_takeover/
Ctrl + F is hard
Seriously though it is frustrating because it's not web search discoverable at all (unlike the web forums of old) and discords search function is very hit or miss in my experience.
Maybe unpopular take here, but I love discord as an excellent fit for specific use cases. I think plenty of groups that should be web forums use discord wrong, but for several of my favorite communities:
Good examples for me are: Friend of Friend Groups for organizing dinners or parties Online gaming communities Book clubs Co-worker chat alternative to slack
I'm a little surprised that people feel like Discord does a good job of (4) and (5). On (4), Discord's ToS used to permit Discord to resell your personal data in bulk (and still might allow it; haven't read the ToS in a while), all guilds are co-located in a single database, and rumor is that three-letter agencies are allowed to make relatively complex queries against that database. On (5), Discord is well-known to ban alternative clients, hacked clients, API clients, extensions, addons, and even chatbots, without any due process or recourse.
Like, yes, it's a nice service, but is it really that much nicer than Mumble or IRC?
Discord is really shitty software. I all but refuse to use it
Unfortunately it's the best popular one. Like I use Teams, Slack and Skype at work and oh god are they terrible, using those makes me long for Discord.
I find it baffling you include Slack in this list, as though it's even a fraction as bad as discord
Fun detail, before discord there was other similar chat gaming software also running with full web browser capabilities. I did some digging at the time while I was using it and found it has using adobe flash which was several version out of date. (at the period where a lot of the exploits going round were flash based), stuff like this makes these kinds of chat apps a bit of a risk (teams/slack/skype etc similar (Edit: if I had said electron based apps here I would have looked a lot better than editing it later), I heard if you really are security concious/paranoid you use those apps only via their website versions (as most browsers have reasonable security nowadays)). Up till a year ago (before they put it behind a text file setting you have to enable) they even made it easy to open the development console which malicious people used to socially engineer people into compromising their account. The discord thing isn't in the same risk category as the flash thing but still funny how high the shooting yourself in the foot risk was for the gamer app.
It's because the people who say stuff like the above have complete control over the discussion.