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Biden administration uses emergency authority to sell tank shells to Israel
(amp.theguardian.com)
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There's been a lot of posts about Palestinians and Muslims seriously arguing sitting out the next presidential election. To all the ppl who constantly argue how stupid and reactionary doing so is, what exactly are they suppose to do?
Simply vote for the man who is actively supplying the weapons to kill your family/kill ppl just like you because Trump is a giant bigot? Thankfully i don't have to make such a decision but I wouldn't blame anyone (especially the family of a dead relative bombed by Israel) to sit this next election out.
For Muslims and Palestinians this next election is a Murderer vs a Murdering racist
They're supposed to realize Trump will have a Muslim ban and take away their rights and then go full on genocide using US troops to help Isreal do it more efficiently and then probably throw all Muslims into camps to be reconditioned or worked to death. I don't know what they expect biden to do, I don't claim to understand geopolitics but I'm pretty sure it would be a disaster for the US to end relations with Isreal.
No step on snek
If Trump wins, Biden cannot stop Trump's Muslim ban. Trump has said he will deport Muslims. If that's what you want, vote for Trump.
FTFY.
But to answer your question, yes. In America 99.99% of the time we have to vote for the fractionally lesser of two evils and Biden is that. Not voting IS voting for Trump. It is a stupid selfish thing that does nothing for no one. Giving in to apathy by not voting is giving up on democracy and right now we are either voting to continue democracy or giving in to fascism.
Just to be clear I don't endorse what the US is letting Israel do to Gaza and Palestinians and I've let my local representatives know this. I also wish there was someone other than Trump or Biden who had any chance at all of winning the next presidential election.
This comment is stupid selfish. Choosing not to vote for an administration that supplied the weapons that killed your family is the exact opposite of apathy.
Third party, unironically.
inb4 helping the other side/first-past/throwing votes/electoral college. Gotta show em this is what happens when they are ignored.
I totally agree. It will hurt, but this lesser-evil bullshit needs to end.
Blame everyone who votes for 'moderate' democrats. Not the people who refuse to 'fall in line.'
The lies people who vote third party tell themselves to justify their actions are astounding. You know the game, you know the rules and you know the consequences but still you do the wrong thing and pat yourself on the back and think yourself some sort of hero.
Ditto!
"If you don't vote Republican or Republican-lite, you're doing the wrong thing!" Jesus what a braindead take.
Yep. People wanna act like votes are deserved. Votes are earned and if the party hasnt shown they earn them they dont get them. Full stop.
Lmao if your plan works your life is going to get so much worse and I just don't understand how you see that as a win
Okay.
So you know all the reasons why what you choose to do is wrong but do it anyway?
You already admitted that's not what you are actually accomplishing but I guess lying to yourself makes you feel better.
Yeah sure. Vote democrat. Nothings ever gonna change. Not now. Not ever.
If voting Democrat isn't going to change anything, voting third party is definitely not going to change anything. Might as well make the higher percentage play, which is voting Democrat.
The place to do this is in the primaries, unironically. After that you are voting for the better of two candidates and any vote outside of that is still a decision between two candidates.
Yeah but what about the democrats using superdelegates and general fuckery to get Bernie out in 2016? I know they changed the superdelegate system at some point but still. Only time I've seen an outsider actually decimate and forcibly enter the party was Trump. And even then he still capitulated to general Republican beliefs.
Plus the current democrat primary is just a hippy, biden, someone nobody has heard of and Cenk who 99% will get disqualified since the dude wasn't born in the US. I mean there's a chance Manchin might run but he's probably gonna go independent/No Labels.
This is Biden fault not American voters. He chooses to ignore voters and choose to ignore problems. Voters shouldn’t be blamed for the correct policies people want.
As is always the case when it comes to elections, choosing to not vote for the lesser evil is just voting for the greater evil
Which is unfortunate because it then becomes a matter of “I am voting against the candidate I don’t like” rather than “I am voting for the candidate I like”, and the voice of the people get lost.
Welcome to FPTP voting. System is working as designed.
While I would certainly love to see us replace FPTP, I'm not sure it would change much. Democrats have had two good bites at the apple of picking a progressive candidate in the last two Presidential Election cycles. The second bite even had several options across a spectrum of progressiveness. The moderate, old, white guy candidate won overwhelmingly both times.
We need more than a change in voting systems. We need a change in views.
In a healthy democracy, the second part of voting would come into play: You contact your local representative, and tell them what you want them to do. If enough of a representatives constituents directly voice their disapproval, the representative is forced to act, or else lose those voters. Its essentially lobbying, but leveraging your vote directly.
The caveats of course are that it doesnt work well for minorities, and you need a healthy functioning democracy, so, your mileage may vary :(
That voice exists in primaries and local elections. The general is for strategic voting. It's how all party politics works.
"Fall in line."
They want history to continue to repeat itself because they're constantly on the winning side.
Sadly that will be making a statement and handing the country back to a wannabe dictator and worse conditions for them in particular.
Maybe democrats should nominate someone who isn't just the 'lesser-evil' if they're so afraid of losing voters.
But nah. Just "fall in line" and blame everyone else who doesn't, lol.
I don't like it any more than you do. I hate our party system.
Do you want someone enabling genocide or someone who will enact a genocide? Both suck but equating them is beyond idiocy.
The number of Muslims who voted for Trump actually increased between 2016 and 2020.
Honestly? They should either abstain or vote for a third party.
I'll preface this by saying that I'm not a US citizen, so what I say below is NOT advice. It's simply my thoughts to (almost) play devil's advocate for the benefit of discussion!
I'm well aware of the 'cowardice' of abstaining in this election. Yes, Trump has the potential to do harm to Muslims tomorrow, but Biden is harming them today. Trump currently hates Netenyahu, wants him impeached and disagrees with his actions in Gaza (yes it's because of a petty reason but that's Trump's MO!)
Biden is running again, and he is a self-proclaimed Zionist who supports Israel on a personal level, not only politically.
As much as many others want to avoid a second Trump term, voting for Biden means you support him, and support his actions. There's nothing in your vote that separates you from those who unequivocally agree with what he's doing in Gaza. If Biden wins and then he continues to assist in genocide in Gaza, then that's directly related to the democrat vote.
If democrats know they'll lose the election with Biden, they need to front another candidate fast. Failure to do so is accepting defeat.
Lol what?
You attek God now answer
Its fine if people decide to not vote, but not voting basically takes away their right to complain about the policies of the winner. I mean, they still can complain and have the legal right to, but they had a chance to make their case via voting and they specifically chose to not do so.
Its like being offered a drink, specifically choosing not to answer, and then complaining later about how you did/didn't get a drink you wanted. Like, you can do that, but you're only making a clown of yourself if you do.
I am not implying any particular politician is any better than another, as I personally believe all politicians are equally bad just in different flavors. What politics people choose to participate in is totally their choice, at least here in the USA, but that comes with accepting that not participating in politics means you cannot suddenly claim to have a stake in a race you never participated in.