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This is heartbreaking, I don’t know what else to say. The justification that these casualties are acceptable because “Hamas is there too” is just nonsense. If that’s the case why won’t Israel let civilians cross the border into Israel to prevent their murder?
That would humanize those whom they oppress.
I doubt Hamas was at this reporter's house, which was singled out by Israel for an airstrike, which they then pretended to know nothing about.
You’re probably right, I’m just trying to get ahead of their typical excuse for collateral damage
It's not even collateral damage is it? It's the damage they intend to inflict, killing journalists who dare to show the world what Israel is doing.
Not just journalists, kill the journalist AND his entire family by waiting until he gets home and then bombing his house.
Hamas look like angels compared to israel
Idk if I'd go that far. Hamas is at least honest about it, though. They don't try to hide the fact that they want every Jew dead. Israel will continue to genocide Palestinians while denying that the whole time.
Whether you agree with Israeli attacks or not, obviously the answer to this is because it's impossible to filter out Hamas terrorists, which is the main thing they're trying to prevent.
Your right, best to kill them all then. What do you agree with btw?
Where did you get that?
I'm not happy with what Israel is doing. But I don't know of a better way to get rid of Hamas either. And I'm convinced that if we want a free Palestine and a working two state solution, freeing it from Hamas has to be the first step without which no sustainable situation with Israel can ever be achieved.
I'm sure this will work about as well as the US attempt to get rid of the Taliban. Or as well as any of the other instances in the past of trying to get rid of an ideological group through violence.
It doesn't work. It makes everything worse. It radicalizes survivors and kills lots of innocent people.
Some day maybe humanity will collectively abandon these cycles of hatred and violence played out over decades. But I doubt it.
I should have put an /s there I guess. You don't know a better way than genocide? If the treatment kills the host then it is not in fact a cure.
Better way is easy: a one state solution like Israel claims it wants would be better than this. Declare everyone in Palestine an Israeli citizen, move in law enforcement in force, and arrest murderers for murder.
So, you believe Israel can identify a Hamas terrorist remotely to bomb them, but can't identify Hamas terrorists when they are at the border in person?
My dude has never seen a customs office or checkpoint in his life
No its obviously because Israel doesn't care about Palestinians lol. They wouldn't have literally any of these issues if they hadn't been doing like 80 years worth of state sponsored occupation and murder.
You really think the people in Gaza chose to willingly leave their former homes and land to move into a military enclave?
Either they’re armed and easy to identify or they’re not at which point there’s one less person to worry about shooting Israeli soldiers while their tunnel network is dismantled. I don’t see the problem.
Why does Israel not let people leave and use its famed intelligence services to identify who the Hamas fighters are? It is looking like the Israeli government simply prefers collective punishment or even genocide.
They even deported some stranded Palestinian workers to Gaza. Imagine that!
I wanna preface this with "Israel is clearly in the wrong for these attacks and civilians casualties are not an acceptable consequence of this conflict" but as others have already mentions: Israel not taking in Palestinians is very clearly because you can't reliably filter out hamas from Palestinian civilians. That doesn't make what their doing OK, it's just the very obvious reason for them not doing what you're suggesting. It doesn't help that these continues attacks probably makes the civilians population more likely to want to retaliate against the government. "You make the monsters you want to fight" and a that.
The denial of basic necessities for human survival and the driving of civilians southward is a coordinated push to expel the populous from the Gaza Strip. They've attempted back channel deals to scrub Egypt's debt for them to take in the civilians. Their "plan" to ship the expelled around the world has been leaked. People understand this, and thus, the only logical solution is for Israel to take care of these people whose lives they are shattering. They can't leave their land or Israeli land or they won't get it back. Whether it's worth dying over is largely out of the Palestinians in Gaza hands for the moment.
This can't be made someone else's problem, because that's exactly what Israel wants and that should make their motivations very clear.
Are you actually suggesting Israel take over Palestine and absorb the civilians populations. That's insane. Theirs decades of hate and anguish here, Israel would need to keep the Palestinians isolated from the Israeli population for fear of retaliation and the Palestinians would live under constant observation for fear of retaliating. Israel can't deradicalise Palestine when their a good chunk of the reason Palestinians are radicalised into hamas. The only sensible solution is egypt taking over the region and promising diplomatic responses to Israel instead of continued conflict but they don't for the same reason: because they don't want the radical element of hamas under their governance. In the end the only end I see is Palestinians expelling hamas or Israel wiping them out because the alternative is continued conflict forever (which i suppose is also possible, it's been that way for years after all).
It's not my suggestion, it very much appears to be what they are doing in Gaza. Removing their right to self determination is also not a solution. The UN is a much better force to act as interim peacekeepers. I don't think either of us are probably going to be the ones to crack the peace nut. All that I am saying is that secondary evidence and leaks point to a future where the people of Gaza have been removed and I very much believe Israels intent is to never let them back in.
Why would you let people who may or may not be criminals / terrorists into your country ? What do you think this is the usa southern border ?
Would you let random people come flooding into your house ?
*Racist bigot has entered the chat
Great way to announce yourself
The US southern border is so scary. Migrant workers enter the US every day, it's terrible. These people are going to ruin America by looking for better lives for themselves and their families. /s
I've lived very close to the US/Mexico border most of my life. There aren't any criminals and terrorists coming to live here. It's all just people looking for better lives. The criminals smuggle drugs and people over, but they don't move over here too often, and even if they do, it's just to sell drugs. There are no terrorists amongst them, idk where you got that idea.
Don't fall for right wing propaganda about the US/Mexico border.
How do you know who is Hamas and who is a civilian? It's not like Hamas honorably sticks to identifiable uniforms in this war they started
The war has been going on since long before October.
You're right, so let's just declare everyone in Gaza Hamas and bomb everyone. Right? Isn't that Israel's current policy?
Hey, why don't we speed things up and nuke the area. Wouldn't that be more efficient?
Killing civilian children is not an appropriate response to terrorism.
If they filter through the border they can’t be armed. It’d be pretty easy to take away all their arms if no one was left to guard their tunnels.