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Thousands of Jewish Americans and Allies Demand Cease-Fire in Gaza
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Something so common sense will surely fall on deaf ears.
Didn't you know? Those American Jews are being antisemitic for daring to oppose genocide.
This is not genocide. The Israeli army has a massive amount of weapons with which it could commit genocide if it truly wanted to. The situation is horrible and the loss of civilians lives is also horrible but this is not genocide. Misusing that term risks it losing all meaning.
Go back and read the UN Convention on Genocide, as this most certainly is that. Unquestionably.
If it’s genocide why is the population of Palestinians GROWING?
https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-united-nations-palestinian-territories-gaza-strip-0b9fbb989fc2411495afd811da4ac6d0
Where in the definition of genocide does the attempt have to be successful before you call it genocide or try stop it?
Did you not read the UN Convention on Genocide? You know, the things Jewish people said they'd never forget?
Here's a PDF it's only like 4 pages: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention%20on%20the%20Prevention%20and%20Punishment%20of%20the%20Crime%20of%20Genocide.pdf
Whether or not it's true if the population is increasing in spite of all of these things isn't relevant. What's relevant is that Israel is attempting several of them (only need 1 for it to be genocide), and they have been for several decades.
yes, for the last 18 years Palestinians haven't had anything to do, and had such horrid conditions that they had a population boom and over 50% of the people in the Gaza Strip are under 18 years old, but interestingly these population booms only happen when a group of people hits on extremely bad circumstances for a longer period of time
relocations are a major part of it.
Facts don't matter to these Anti Semites.
The UN has issued countless human rights notices against Israel, and how many against Hamas or Saudi Arabia?
It's a clearly biased organization that people alternatively take as gospel when it suits their needs or ignore when it doesn't.
It's obviously not a genocide. If it were, Gaza wouldn't have a growing population. It's really that fucking simple, you can't redefine something to suit your bullshit narrative.
Israel isn't trying to destroy a people or a nation. The millions of Arabs living peacefully in Israel are proof of that. They're GOING to destroy a terrorist organization that's holding a territory hostage though.
People calling out Israel's crimes isn't being antisemitic. Israelis forcing Palestinians from their homes, creating illegal settlements, running an apartheid state, having a large open air prison were half the population are children, and constantly killing Palestinian children is fucking abhorrent. Fuck Israel and fuck anyone that supports their crimes against humanity.
You're here supporting terrorists who explicitly call for the extermination of the Jewish people. You're holding Israel to a standard you refuse to hold others in the region too. They're stuck in the sandbox with terrorists, they're just playing by the same rules they're being subjected to.
I'm supporting the two million Palestinian children that Israel has not only stolen the future of, but also kills and maims on a regular basis. I hold Israel to a higher standard than Hamas because Israel has the power and my tax dollars. Hamas is largely a problem of Israel's own creation. I don't just mean through their crimes they've created animus. They have directly funded Hamas and helped destroy their opposition in Gaza. Really, stop conflating Israel with the Jewish ethnicity and Judaism. It's a really sorry attempt to hide behind the antisemitic claim to escape being called out for crimes against humanity.
wait, aren't you doing the same thing, considering the Jewish power party were a bunch of anti-arab terrorists before they got voted into office?
I'm not supporting the Israeli government, I'm supporting Israelis right to live in Peace. Prior to last week, I was one of that governments vocal critics. Now, like so many around the world, we can see the existential threat against the people of that country and I fully support the elimination of Hamas.
Once that's done, and while it's happening I can still champion the exiting of the West Bank and the promotion of a two state solution.
Hamas needs to be removed for Palestinians to have Peace. Their purpose as clearly laid out in their founding Charter is the destruction of the Jewish people, which means the destruction of the state of Israel which makes it pretty difficult to get a Peace deal in place.
so it's fine for apartheid Israel to run an open air prison and support Hamas to weaken the PA's push towards a 2-state solution for YEARS, but the second it backfires and there are Israeli deaths, then you need to take sides because suddenly the side with power actually experienced the reality of the ethnic conflict they have been pushing
Fun fact; Palestinians are Semites.
So being anti Palestine is, by definition, anti Semitic.
This is not genocide. The German army has a massive amount of weapons with which it could commit genocide if it truly wanted to. The situation is horrible and the loss of civilians lives is also horrible but this is not genocide. Misusing that term risks it losing all meaning.
If it’s genocide why is the population of Palestinians GROWING?
https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-united-nations-palestinian-territories-gaza-strip-0b9fbb989fc2411495afd811da4ac6d0
That's a definite whoosh. Try this one: if the Holocaust was a genocide why are there still Jews?
6 million Jews were killed during the holocaust. Nearly 50% of the global population.
How you can compare the two with any sense of rationality is beyond me.
Israeli politicians have proposed killing everyone in gaza, that's 2 million people. Half are children.
And Hamas has proposed killing all the Jews.
look into what causes massive population growth
They are doing that. They are bombing an area after making it impossible for people to evacuate by giving an impossible deadline. They are bombing the areas people are told to take on the way to evacuate. The people they are bombing have no defenses or way to escape. Israel’s own government officials have referred to Palestinians as animals and said there are no innocents among them. That’s what genocide looks like before having the benefit of hindsight.
It might be. Real soon.
Still, it doesn't go without saying. They might ignore it, but they can't pretend nobody said anything.
I asked once why the law (Jewish religious law) said don’t kill, steal etc then said of Amallites not to leave one alive, man, woman or child. The answer? “Jewish law doesn’t apply to gentiles.”
Thinking about this some more, I have a feeling you misinterpreted what "Jewish law doesn't apply to gentiles" means. If I, a Jew, eat bacon, it's considered a sin. If a non-Jew eats bacon, it's not considered a sin. Jewish laws (restrictions, observances, etc) don't apply to non-Jews. It doesn't mean that Jews are allowed to treat non-Jews however they want with no repercussions.
This isn't quite true. First of all, I'm guessing you mean the Amalekites. The reason they are singled out is because they followed the Israelites during the Exodus from Egypt. They attacked from the rear to target the slowest people - the elderly and children. This gave them a "special status" so to speak with a commandment to wipe them out.
That being said, there are no Amalekites nowadays. There might be spiritual successors of them - people who want to wipe out all Jews no matter what and who will start with the elderly and children - but these people don't get "Amalekite treatment."
Apart from this exception (which, again, has no relevance in the modern world), Jewish law absolutely applies to how we treat non-Jews.