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Lol, anyone accusing someone as being un-American for exercising their constitutional right to free speech is both a hypocrite and an idiot.
Arnie literally isn't an American. He's Austrian by birth and obviously hasn't adopted American values.
Arnie has a right to free speech. But if someone uses their speech to advocate the forcible and violent suppression of other's rights, that is unAmerican. His statements make it clear that he doesn't respect American values. He's a sick authoritarian fuck just like his literal Nazi father.
the absolute irony of your moronic opinion is likely to have flown over your head
He was literally the governor of California?
Lol, you have no constitutional right to endanger the public. Show me a court anywhere in the world that has claimed that the government has no right to institute public health policies.
You don't get to dictate what constitutes American values. In just a couple post you've already called an immigrant "literally not American", and have called that American un-American for exercising free speech. You are not recognizing his constitutional rights, but he lacks American values because.......vibes?
Ahh yes, I remember when the most progressive state in America became nazi Germany for 8 years.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/read-cdc-mask-mandate-ruling/index.html
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2020/12/03/Supreme-Court-sides-with-church-challenging-Califs-COVID-19-restrictions/3721607017533/
Several decisions. One regarding the forcible masking of transport passengers. Another regarding indiscriminate lockdowns and restrictions of religious gatherings.
It was overruled by the Supreme Court.
This isn't saying the government doesn't have the authority to enact public health laws, it's simply saying those laws can't inhibit people from participating in religious gatherings.
Again, it's just public safety. It's amazing someone who is so nationalistic won't make a small sacrifice for his country, like temporarily wearing a mask in public.
Temporary is two weeks. Not two years.
Ah. I see. I think what we have here is a failure of long-term memory and possible loss of object permanence and/or temporal perspective.
There are health care workers that contracted Covid before the vaccines came out that are suffering permanent complications from it as a consequence of the actions of people like you. Two years of wearing a mask for a couple hours a day is a small price to pay in comparison to a lifetime of pulmonary insufficiency, or neuropathy, or new autoimmune disorders that don't even have names yet. These are doctors, nurses, EMTs, paramedics, everyone from the Chief of Surgery to the hospital's housekeeping staff were put on the front lines of a once-in-a-century pandemic. If people had worn their masks, washed their hands, stayed home, or even just behaved sensibly or respectfully, there would be a lot of healthcare workers that would still be healthy, and others that would still be alive today.
It's people like you that are responsible for the havoc brought upon the least deserving of it.
Yeap, it'd be interesting to see how many medical providers had to retire early, burned out, or were taken out of commission from COVID. People don't understand how damage loosing an experienced provider can have to a clinic.
I work in orthopedics and rehabilitation and our clinic ended up loosing our oldest PA-C. He could have retired ages ago, but he loved teaching and he wasn't going to leave his hospital during a pandemic.
40 years of clinical experience, 40 years of educating young physicians at the same clinic, all snuffed out because some asshole couldn't be bothered to wear a mask.
I have conflicted feelings about COVID now a days, I'm glad that so many people were insulated from it. But I'm also outraged that these people insulated from harm now claim it wasn't real, or a big deal.
Any public figure who that attempted to minimize COVID should have been forced to help triage at their local hospital. They should have been forced to witness what a floors filled with vented patients looked like, sounded like, and felt like. People have no idea how close certain states were to a collapse of the healthcare system. Hell, my hospital was paying untrained office staff to provide medical care in the ICU under the guidance of a PA or higher.
I was lucky in that I worked in a specialty clinic, then a Peds ER during the pandemic and that I only caught it after getting the vaccination. I still got pyelonephritis as a bonus though. The roughest thing about the specialty clinic was that it was in oncology, so all of our patients were high risk and we still had asshats who whined about having to wear a mask in the clinic. During the worst of it, I was helping our plastic surgeon do in-office excisions of malignant melanomas as a temporizing procedure until the ORs opened up for the lymph node biopsies and radical excisions where needed.
Sounds pretty familiar, i am in a specialty clinic as well. Unfortunately we're the state's only trauma 1 hospital, and we had staffing issues before the pandemic. So when things started to get out of hand, pretty much any provider with a license had to do rotations in the ICU.
I have a couple friends who were providers at our cancer institute at the time, I know they lost a lot of patients when we briefly shut down non emergent facilities as well.
I think you may have a problem comprehending definitions?
Temporarily is not forever. There isn't a defined time on temporary. Two weeks is two weeks. Temporary is indefinite.
If it has a definite time period and ended at some point, that’s the definition of temporary. The opposite is permanent, and… two years isn’t permanent.
FYI both links were judges nominated by Trump and rammed through the approval process to specifically do things like this.
The first one was an obvious political stunt, she literally “struck it down” in 2022 when it was extended by .
Whew, thank god we had that ruling, I wonder how many lives that helped during that and subsequent COVID surges? Thanks Judge Mizelle! Lmao
Your second link also directly involves a judge appointed by Trump, literally right after she was appointed.
Lmao, wow, would you look at that. Right in your link.
This shit is sad, what are you getting out of this? What’s keeping in your bubble?
Boy the type of people who like to split hairs about what an insurrection is sure don't split the same hairs when it comes to masking policy.
If you want to see what "forcible masking" looks like, take a look at China. There was nothing remotely similar to that in America.
Take a look at any of the videos of people forcibly masked on planes. It's identical to the way people were treated in China. The only difference is Americans fought back.
You're full of it. At one point the airlines required masking, but they just kicked people off of the flights. We also had toothless enforcement of masking everywhere here including in supposedly strict lockdown California. You have a persecution complex because you're a little baby who can be broken by being told to wear a six inch scrap of fabric on your face.