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[-] ignotum@lemmy.world 100 points 1 year ago

Capitalism itself rarely invents new things, but it does optimize existing things quite well

Though what it tries to optimize it for isn't always what is best for the consumer

[-] DaCookeyMonsta@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Chicken sandwiches used to be so much better. Now it occasionally feels like I'm biting into a tire. I don't understand this business strategy.

[-] Routhinator@startrek.website 36 points 1 year ago

Its simple, capitalism treats the consumer like cattle, and the optimization of profit drives them to replace real quality products with cheaper and cheaper substitutes over time until you're expected to bite into that tire and go "wow, this chicken is delicious"

[-] DaCookeyMonsta@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

But I just stopped buying them instead.

[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately, you're the minority.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Most people seem to as economic actors behave quite a lot like cattle, which is why treating them as cattle works...

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

I just broke into the fast food chain's headquarters to find the secret formula. Next year's recipe is going to be this between two buns:

rubber chicken

[-] ech@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

I don’t understand this business strategy.

You still bought it and they saved money. Profit!

[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Even the almighty Chick-fil-A has seemed lower quality the last 3-4 times I went. Used to never get chewy chicken from them.

[-] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Maybe one day you'll stop hating gay people too.

[-] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

They recently stopped donating to anti-LGBTQ orgs, for what it's worth.

[-] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

They've said that every single time they've been called out for their actions before. If you support them, you hate gay people. End of discussion.

[-] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

As a gay person with plenty of unrelated self-loathing, that tracks

[-] Dude123@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Could be the supply chain or that location? The only chicken sandwiches that are worth are CFA and MCD.

[-] FarceMultiplier@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I was a bit impressed with the one I had from Fatburger on the weekend. Since I'm allergic to beef, I eat a lot of chicken sandwiches, and it was better than most.

[-] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
[-] DaCookeyMonsta@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Damn chicken steroids.

[-] Kichae@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

Indeed. People like to claim that capitalism is the most efficient system, but what it's efficient at is transferring wealth to the ownership class.

That's what efficiency means in context, and in practice.

[-] Peaty@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

that's not what efficiency means in context. Stop spreading ignorance.

Also source in the claim that capitalism is the most efficient system?

[-] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

My source is communists claiming that capitalism is too efficient and mean for their system to compete against

[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Capitalism is also highly adept at taking the credit for the inventions and innovations of talented engineers and other scientists.

(Pictured: a now deceased deadbeat dad/marketer/capitalist/new age medicine enthusiast who never invented anything, but sure did enjoy wearing turtlenecks)

[-] ignotum@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Steve Wozniak: makes hardware and writes the software

Steve jobs:

[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I can't find it anymore, but there was an excellent Youtube vid or podcast about the components and integrations of an iPhone and how almost none of them were new inventions even though their particular use was patented by Apple, and they were in fact mostly publicly funded projects! University grants, AR&D defense contracts, infrastructure allocations, open source, etc.

GPS, touchscreen, LCDs, cell networks, HTTP, GPS, IMUs, basically every file format on the thing aside from distribution formats, much of the SDK and the foundations of the IDE.

Capitalism does not foster innovation. It fosters opportunism. The public sector takes the 1-in-a-million risk inventing something like HTTP, and carefully nurses small saplings into a sprawling fruit-bearing orchard, then the private sector comes along and harvests it, taking credit for inventing the apple. (Pun intended)

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

It does spread and apply new things fairly well though even if it doesn't invent them as much.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Capitalism only ever optimizes along the "maximum profitability for the seller" axis, and buyers only ever benefit if there is a ton of competition and it's a low brand recognition domain (otherwise the profitavility optimization mostly just ends up influencing marketing, not price or quality) and only ever whilst said situation lasts (the profit optimization will also tend to end high-competition low brand recognition situations if possible as that's not optimal for profitability).

Optimization is only a guaranteed good thing for those who benefit ftom what is deemed the optimal state or direction of improvement and in Capitalism that's the ones taking the profits.

[-] jimbo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Capitalism itself rarely invents new things

I don't know that it even makes sense to say that capitalism (or socialism, or communism) invented something, but it seems fair to say that most of inventing we've seen in the modern world was done in a capitalistic system.

[-] ignotum@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Sure, it's not really the economic model itself doing the inventing, but people like to say that there couldn't be any innovation under any economic model but capitalism.

But more often than not, new technologies come from universities since investing in potential technologies is risky, it's much safer to invest in refining an existing one. Meanwhile universities are more willing to spend money on research for researchs sake

Take the language models that are all the rage these days, the underlying technology was created at a university, then once it existed, companies took it and pretty much just made them bigger and more easily available

Computers, screens, modern encryption, lithium batteries, the internet, touchscreens, wifi, i could go on. Your phone is pretty much just a pile of parts that were invented at an university, then made smaller, cheaper and assembled together by a company

And while some of those university projects were also externally funded, it was usually state funded, usually for their military applications

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