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When somebody asks why you're a vegan
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Hmm. I think it's important to be sceptical and not believe everything you see. But, let's also ask ourselves, is that why there are growing number of states passing ag-gag laws that make it illegal to record actual abuse and mistreatment? Because these actual recordings were 'hit pieces'?
The excuse from the industry is they are taken out of context, but no context would excuse the worst of the videos that show outright cruelty and suffering animals. For example, regulations on how much room fowl need only exist because of how terribly they were treated by being crammed into cages where they coukdn't move being caught on camera.
I've never seen evidence that all the videos are doctored. I'm sure some exist and you could point to them, but theres a known mental health issue in the meat industry for a reason. I don't know how the folks who don't have a problem with it keep it up. Makes me actually wonder a bit more about them.
No, they mean the ones that actually do show animals suffering in terrible conditions or being killed on ways that cause suffering that are not uncommon and have lead to more regulations because of the terrible practices. Kind of like the police, there is plenty of terrible behavior even though not every place is as bad as the worst videos, but even if only 10% of animals suffered it would be worth bringing to everyone's attention.
And it is more likely to be the majority of animals to be perfectly honest. I am not a vegan becsuse I think that there is the possibility of humane farming practices, but do acknowledge that the food production industry's largest producers are regularly caught being cruel to animals to save a few bucks and see why someone would oppose it because the system incentivises suffering.
If they really wanted change, vegans would become anticapitalists instead.
Why not both?
Because the logistics and economics needed to sustain veganism counteract the anti-capitalism, you don't end up getting anything done.
But then I'm busy being a local farmer, not an anticapitalist. Subsistence veganism provides even less time and energy to fight the system.
Ah yes, vegans have to spend so much time eating they can't fight the system. That's a totally sensible argument.
I guess I'll be the one to tell you that veganism is about waaay more than what you eat? I shouldn't be, but I will be if I must.
That's a bold claim that demands elaboration.