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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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That is the response of the police union via twitter or whatever.
They seem to think that cops == soldiers.
Which is gross as cops are civilians and soldiers are not. Soldiers understand trigger discipline and cops do not.
Correct. I've served in three wars and am a disabled vet for it. Cops keep saying they kill because they are scared and the public and courts accepts it. My 18 year old soldiers were scared to walk down the streets in Iraq, surrounded by a populace caring ak-47's and having terrible trigger discipline. My soldiers didn't randomly kill people though. Being a cop is easy. Don't let them tell you otherwise. They are fat from inactivity and kill when they have a built in excuse.
Americans are allowed to have guns. Thinking someone has a gun isn't even a good enough reason to kill, but they do it all the time.
ACAB.
Also most US soldiers are not armed while hanging out in the US.
Fuck the military too. Arguably they're worse than cops, the fact that they only murder people in other countries doesn't give them a pass.
I was a soldier and I hear you loud and clear.
I wish some wars I was in were honorably defending my country instead of being in Iraq and Afghanistan and gathering the intelligence that allowed soldiers to go shoot the poorly equipped group of people who were mad at us for invading and torturing and killing their family members constantly.
TORTURE was used and defended by Bush lawyers.
It's not the military that is the problem, but our politicians who control it.
Tell that to Ukrainian soldiers you dumbfuck
The false equivalency is staggering. Cops are the little bitches who wouldn't enlist cus they would "knock out the DI".
I'm a veteran and a protester who did arrest his occasionally. It's amazing how proud of them so they are for violating the constitution.
My current argument is that they used a drug dog to search my car which has never had drugs in or near it. Apparently the fourth amendment doesn't exist anywhere in America if they can get an animal to sit.