Moscow struggles to stockpile all the missiles it needs—so it fires them straight off the line, Ukraine says (euromaidanpress.com)

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[-] flandish@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

we’re told this is basically what the US does, too, and why the pause with Iran.

in the end, it’s never true and just more prop while people keep dying.

[-] The_v@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Its more a lag of transporting them to the front. Most of them are moved by ships and it takes a couple of weeks to resupply them when they are halfway across the world.

The build rate of u.s. missles are in the months or even years long timespan.

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

seems so interesting from a “just in time” inventory pov. i have friends who left that industry (mainly sw engs in the navigation space) and yeah … it’s dilbert all the way up.

[-] bluGill@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

Just in time manufacturing is a good thing. Why would you want to launch missiles from 1995 - todays technology is better in important ways. For that matter why would you want to launch 2026 missiles in 2030 - who knows what advances will be made (you should have a good guess about what they are working on based on the current Ukraine situation)

[-] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Mostly because build times are slow. If you have a stockpile you can make a big splash right off the bat, and keep the tempo up while drawing both from new stock and from stockpiles. Once you are only hitting with just-made arms, your tempo is greatly reduced.

[-] bluGill@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago

Which is to say we need the ability to quickly scale production. I said a couple years ago the US needs to have the ability to produce 1000 patriot interceptors per month - many said I was wrong then, but today looking at Ukraine and Iran it seems like I was low. (Ukraine is an example of how sometimes nothing your diplomats do is enough, Iran is an example of how sometimes you are stupid)

Not that we shouldn't have a stock pile. We need the ability for every city to defend itself for a week based on what they currently have in stock (remember those stock piles will be an early target and interceptors are not perfect). However after a week we should be making new interceptors as fast as they are used.

[-] Fribbizz@feddit.org 1 points 10 hours ago

And this I believe is where public and corporate interests diverge.

Corps like the current situation of boutique production. Nice margins, easy to manage processes and they can selfimportantly hobnob with politicians and military brass. Apparently a lower cost to produce patriot variant was cancelled. I can't see how corporations want something like that.

I believe easy and cheaply mass producible munitions need to be engineered differently. But why develop such munitions, if the old paradigm produces so much gravy and influence?