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The Achilles thing made me chuckle. And then it made me weep a bit because general education seems to be dead. I learnt about the Trojan war and attached mythology at school, doesn't that happen anymore or is it an attention issue?
Maybe it's just anything Greek. I remember reading a comment chain right here on Lemmy like 6 months ago, something about a thing/machine/software named Prometheus. One commenter wondered why they'd name themselves after an Alien movie.
Ouch. Prometheus himself would probably have turned around and returned the fire where it came from if he knew about that.
"I still get punished for helping those idiots thousands of years ago? Boy, that was so not worth it."
Right!? The Alien from 'Kablam!' who taught Bob deserves better than that.
Deep cut lol
Yeah, after suffering so much.
That's not how forethought works!!
I don't think I ever covered any Greek myths in school in the UK. Like many others I did have an interest in them so I did read the Iliad and Odyssey in my school years (though I don't remember which translations). We did cover a few Norse myths; the bit of the Prose Edda with the giant Skrymir was one that stuck with me for some reason
At the end of the day there is simply far too much history to give everyone an overview of all of the big things. There are interesting aspects of the relationship between myth, history, historiography, and archaeology that I expect Troy could be a great subject for, but I don't think there's anything so unique about it that it has to be a topic
Oh great, those nords are now copying Skyrim and changing letters around to try and hide it!
It's fine, you're allowed to learn things outside of school. Something many people apparently have completely forgotten.
Here in the U.S., we cover the Greek stuff A LOT. Like it is hammered into your head. The reason for this is, of course, the U.S. sees itself as the heir to Athenian Democracy and Roman Republicanism, so we have to really emphasize that in our conditionin.... Uhhh education.
Studying Greek classics being used as an "America bad" is the biggest stretch, jfc. Not everything is a conspiracy. Take it down a notch.
That's not an "America Bad" thing, it's just fact? That's the explicit reason for the entire framing of western history in American classrooms. We start with Egypt, then the hand the torch over to the Greeks, then they hand the torch to the Romans, then the Dark Ages (spoooooky), then the Renaissance, the British Empire, and then the USA. It's one of our foundations for American Exceptionalism
I don't think your history experiences sound very typical. I didn't have anything about the Egyptians outside of pyramids in elementary school, very little Greek mythology, and then nothing about the Romans (beyond a bit about how they had good tech like aqueducts), dark ages (maybe a little about the plague and feudalism), or Renaissance. Did you go to a school with extra history requirements or something?
Sudying Greek history and mythology merely for the sake of propaganda and as a through line to exceptionalism is not a fact, no.
I read a lot of Greek mythology on my own and through elective classes but I think the only core course material I had on it was pretty brief. Shakespeare was pretty much every year starting in middle school but not much Greek.
Ya, like most things in the us, it's not ubiquitous. But my experience was similar to yours. We covered it, but it wasn't beaten into us like it was on some "we're the heir to the Athenian dynasty" tip.
Greeks, Romans, Vikings, Victorians and WWI are all part of the UK national primary curriculum and have been for at least 30 years.
Yes, but there's a lot to cover about them without touching any of the myths
Here in german speaking central europe i learnt (i wont stop using it just to piss @atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works off lol) about the wars among the greek citystates, with references to Homer, and later on when learning Latin (which i sucked at, but that's not so important right now) we read excerpts and learnt (hahaha roflcopter) about the mythology a lot more. There also were references to the Greek mythology in our literature classes.
Thanks for letting me live rent free in your head!
Dude i'm just chuckling when i see you pop up. We could make a running gag out of it if you are up to it - i keep using "learnt" and you keep shitting on me for using something you are not used to lol
I would even offer that everytime i use it, i send you a PM so you can comment on my incorrect usage ;-)
And all but two of these examples can still be heard regularly where I am!
What's interesting is I use both "dreamt" and "dreamed", depending on the circumstance. I'm not completely sure when I use one over the other.
Aw come on, stop ribbing him ;-) I looked up what he comments normally, and he seems like a stand up guy, and i have no hard feelings at all, as long as i made my point that education does not protect against assimilating different pidgins and integrating them into your common vocabulary.
Ahahaha, fair point, I respect that civility
That is something that wouldn't be possible on Reddit, which is why i left (aside from the APIcalypse). I believe we all here can much more easily find common ground simply by staying human.
I took a whole Greek Lit class in high school.. but that was like 20+ years ago.
fuck I'm getting old
at least you are not growing old alone, i going with ya all the way ;-)
Is this intentional irony?
Edit for the down voters:
Source
We were taught that it was only okay to use T in some words that end in D, for instance build -> built.
As a former ESL professor, I both learnt and taught: learnt, dreamt, was, became, began, taught, blew, meant, brought, thought, caught, drew, felt, fought, lit, grew etc. as part of the (very long) list of irregular English verbs in the past and participle forms.
I'm assuming your insistence is born (not borned) out of embarrassment over your initial mistake. It's ok to not know something, admitting a mistake is a far better look.
What part of me posting the correct answer is insisting? I really don’t understand why everyone needs this to be a gotcha so please fuck off.
Sure bruv
Pretty sure you mean bröther, bruv.
So your edit is just "I'm wrong but going to pretend I'm not", neat
That’s not what I said.
Sure thing, keep telling yourself
no, that was unintentional. But if you really like my mistakes as a non-native speaker you can print them out, stick them to the bedroom wall and masturbate to them to fuel your superiority; i aim to please.
Edit: I looked it up, it's correct. You can still use it as a masturbatory template if you wish so.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/learnt -> past tense and past participle of learn in american english.
“Learnt” is how the British spell the past tense of “learn.” It’s perfectly valid.
Prescriptivist assholes being wrong is like the sweetest nectar
We did too but that was a few decades ago.