Odysseus: "Its time for us to embark on our Odyssey."
Crew: "Our what now?"
Odysseus: "A long an arduous trip named after its only survivor."
Crew: "Oh, ok... wait a minute..."
Odysseus: "Its time for us to embark on our Odyssey."
Crew: "Our what now?"
Odysseus: "A long an arduous trip named after its only survivor."
Crew: "Oh, ok... wait a minute..."
The Achilles thing made me chuckle. And then it made me weep a bit because general education seems to be dead. I learnt about the Trojan war and attached mythology at school, doesn't that happen anymore or is it an attention issue?
Maybe it's just anything Greek. I remember reading a comment chain right here on Lemmy like 6 months ago, something about a thing/machine/software named Prometheus. One commenter wondered why they'd name themselves after an Alien movie.
Ouch. Prometheus himself would probably have turned around and returned the fire where it came from if he knew about that.
"I still get punished for helping those idiots thousands of years ago? Boy, that was so not worth it."
Right!? The Alien from 'Kablam!' who taught Bob deserves better than that.
I don't think I ever covered any Greek myths in school in the UK. Like many others I did have an interest in them so I did read the Iliad and Odyssey in my school years (though I don't remember which translations). We did cover a few Norse myths; the bit of the Prose Edda with the giant Skrymir was one that stuck with me for some reason
At the end of the day there is simply far too much history to give everyone an overview of all of the big things. There are interesting aspects of the relationship between myth, history, historiography, and archaeology that I expect Troy could be a great subject for, but I don't think there's anything so unique about it that it has to be a topic
Here in the U.S., we cover the Greek stuff A LOT. Like it is hammered into your head. The reason for this is, of course, the U.S. sees itself as the heir to Athenian Democracy and Roman Republicanism, so we have to really emphasize that in our conditionin.... Uhhh education.
…general education seems to be dead.
…learnt…
Is this intentional irony?
Edit for the down voters:
Learnt and learned are both used as the past participle and past tense of the verb to learn. Learned is the generally accepted way of spelling it in the United States and Canada, while the rest of the English-speaking world seems to prefer learnt for now. Why for now? The American English tendency toward making irregular verbs into regular ones has started influencing British English, which is why the -edvariant is being used increasingly around the world. Soon, learned might be the most common form everywhere.
We were taught that it was only okay to use T in some words that end in D, for instance build -> built.
no, that was unintentional. But if you really like my mistakes as a non-native speaker you can print them out, stick them to the bedroom wall and masturbate to them to fuel your superiority; i aim to please.
Edit: I looked it up, it's correct. You can still use it as a masturbatory template if you wish so.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/learnt -> past tense and past participle of learn in american english.
“Learnt” is how the British spell the past tense of “learn.” It’s perfectly valid.
Prescriptivist assholes being wrong is like the sweetest nectar
I genuinely believe that some people are just completely unaware of anything made before their birth.
Like they actively choose not to be aware, to the point of calling out a re-telling of a literally ancient tale for tropes it literally invented.
"The universe started when I was about six years old."
"...and will end when I die!"
Doctor: "You have an oedypian complex."
Oedypus: "I have a what?"
Doctor: "You heard me, motherfucker."
When I was a kid, we went to see a play with my class.
Someone complained that is was a cheap copy of Lord of the Rings.
It was The Hobbit.
betting we're gonna get this kinda feedback on the Neuromancer tv adaption
Wonder what percentage of people will claim it's a CP2077 ripoff lol
I was in a game store and I overheard a couple of guys learning how to play Netrunner (a cyberpunk hacking game) and one of them laughs and says "So, this is what happens when you can't get the Shadowrun license!"
Oh I hope so. Can't wait to hear someone complain about the dub or the way they jack in to a cyber deck being a copy of the matrix.
I'm just excited for all the "historically accurate" cyclops, witches, demi gods, and magic objects that the conservatives are going to have in their AI remakes!
/s (just in case)
I'm just upset that they left out the wordplay on Odysseus telling the cyclops that his name was nobody
Agreed. I think it was a shame to leave that section out as it illustrates Odysseus' cleverness and hubris, the attributes that both help and hinder his journey. It also demonstrates the complicated nature of heroism investigated in the epic.
Odysseus shows great intelligence in introducing himself as Nobody and again in saving the surviving men. He also can't resist shouting back his name and taking credit once he's out of immediate danger. Had he not shouted his name back, Polyphemus would have been unable to call down a curse upon him, and by extension, all his men.
And the Trojan horse was literally shaped like a horse, a bit too on the nose, no?
I do this intentionally sometimes, for shits and giggles, but Poe's law guarantees that someone will inevitably miss the joke.
Edgar Allen Poe was a lawyer?
Lawyers don't write laws, dumbass.
Edgar Allen Poe was a legislator.
Wait till they hear about the genius trick with the Trojan horse
"Why would they take it in! It's literally named after their city being sneak attacked!"
But why is it named after a type of computer virus? they didn't even have computers back then!
When you show your buddy The Matrix for the first time and they complain that it overuses bullet time effects.
This reminds me of a road trip I took years ago with my best friend. Dude is an awesome guitarist but a little musically uncultured. He likes what he likes and other stuff might as well not exist. Well I have a much wider palate for music than he does and most of the time when we are hanging out, he discovers new music.
We were driving down route 66 and crossing into Texas on our road trip and the song "Free Fallin'" comes on. Immediately he pipes up and says "ah, man this is the worst cover of this song I've ever heard. The quality makes it sound like it was recorded in the 70's or 80's and you really just can't replace John's voice." I pulled over the car and began interrogating for clarity.
"John who?"
"Mayor? The original is so much better than this."
"You think John Mayor wrote Free Fallin'?"
"What do you mean?"
"I really really need you to think about why this song sounds 'older' than John Mayor's Free Fallin'."
"Oh..."
I haven't let him live it down. Every road trip we have been on since, I make sure the original is on the playlist somewhere. It was out of character for him to be so confidently incorrect.
Sounds like your friend handled being wrong with a lot more grace than you handled being right
You and your friends don't make fun of each other? It's all in good fun.
To be fair, Nolan has named a protagonist Protagonist in the past; if you don't know the origin of the word Mentor, it would not be unreasonable to assume as OP did
My favorite character name is still Hiro Protagonist. Nominative determinism at its best. Or maybe they just forgot to update the placeholder name before going to print.
I like to think that at some point, Hiro changed his name because he thinks that highly of himself. Like, the opening speel about the "Deliverator" is just what his internal monologue is saying all the time.
I think Neal Stephenson was just being funny as it was (more or less) his first book.
I had a friend do this. Not in the theatre, but a week later when we were talking about the movie. I wasn't sure how to tell him without embarrassing him, but he joked about it himself later.
I'm trying to remember if we studied greek and roman mythology in school, or if I just read about it on my own. Did I read the Odyssey for fun??? Maybe it was on those "read something from this list" summer reading assignments.
I think I learned about the Achilles heel thing earlier because an art teacher had walking issues and talked about it. I'm not sure that counts as learning it in school except in the technical sense.
this phenomenon has a tvtropes page
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny
There are certain works that you can safely assume most people have enjoyed. These shows were considered fantastic when they were released. Now, however, these have a Hype Backlash curse on them. Whenever we watch them, we'll cry, "That is so old" or "That is so overdone".
The sad irony? It wasn't old or overdone when they did it. In fact, it wasn't done at all: this work was the first one to do that. But the result was so brilliant and popular, it became woven into the fabric of the genre. Its innovations were endlessly repeated, until the audience began to expect that every work of that type would include them. And so a work which was once genuinely novel has become the new status quo. It's basically the inverse of a Grandfather Clause taken to a trope level: some works can get away with a dated element because of age and tradition, but these works are dismissed as dated because they've drowned in the sea of their own imitators. The work has retroactively become a Cliché Storm.
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