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war, war never rules (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 3 points 23 hours ago

I don't know enough about these situations to comment on them. In isolation, a non-zero amount of suffering and death is obviously worse than none. But the world isn't an isolated bubble like that. When you consider everything in its totality, it's no longer so obvious what the correct objective should be, and that's with the assumption that we can even even devise a measurable score for any of these objectives. Do we care for a lower bound on everyone's quality of life? Do we want to maximize some quality of life average or total? Do we want to maximize the duration of human existence? Who is this "everyone"? Everyone alive today? Everyone who will ever exist? Do we give the same weight to every person? Or should we use some discounted weighting so that present humans get higher priority than future humans? Or should we put a cap on how much of our collective resources we can allocate to any given individual?

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 22 hours ago

What the fuck are you talking about?

Whatever tangent you're on about: I can't experience anything anymore if I'm dead. And I'm sure as shit doing anything in my power not to die "for my nation".

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 2 points 21 hours ago

I don't know. You brought up all those other scenarios. I don't know how they're relevant either.

Anyway, why would it not be a good thing if others want to put their lives on the line so that you can live your life in peace, or flee successfully if it comes to that?

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 12 hours ago

why would it not be a good thing if others want to put their lives on the line so that you can live your life in peace

I reject the premise that this is what the military is doing.

I live in Germany and currently the German government is amping up militarisation which actively increases the risk of war with Russia which in turn endangers my life.

[-] Narauko@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I live in Germany and currently the German government is amping up militarisation which actively increases the risk of war with Russia which in turn endangers my life.

Do you believe that Germany disbanding their military and turning over control of the country to Putin endangers your life less? Does this extend to everyone in your community? Everyone inside the geographical borders of Germany?

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I reject the premise that Russia (or "Putin") wants to invade Germany.

Yes, I'd prefer Germany to disband their military... and police for that matter.

But considering how unrealistic this scenario is: I'd prefer Germany to reestablish diplomatic connections with Russia. Since the only other alternative is war with Russia.

[-] Narauko@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

While a utopia is always an admirable goal, I would like to know what diplomatic relations look like in your viewpoint with Russia. Further, why is Russia invading Ukraine? Do you believe that if Ukraine capitulated, disbanded their military and became Russia that the people of Ukraine would be safer?

Do you believe that the current Russian government would stop expansionism with just the annexation of Ukraine?

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 hours ago

While a utopia is always an admirable goal, I would like to know what diplomatic relations look like in your viewpoint with Russia.

Diplomatic relations are not utopian by any stretch. It's literally this or all out war with Russia. For reference as to what diplomatic relationships with Russia could look like: Look at China, India, Iran or pre 2022 Germany and how they inttract with Russia.

Further, why is Russia invading Ukraine?

I'm not here to disentangle that historical ball of yarn. Also: I believe that you're already predetermined to call me names if I don't give you the answer that you already accepted as the one truth.

Do you believe that if Ukraine capitulated, disbanded their military and became Russia that the people of Ukraine would be safer?

I think that if Ukraine accepted the treaty of March 2022, then hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians would still be alive. Also: Russia never wanted to annex the whole of Ukraine.

Do you believe that the current Russian government would stop expansionism with just the annexation of Ukraine?

Again: I reject the premise. Russia never wanted to annex Ukraine.

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