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Ahhhh.. The great idea to delegate voting to machines built by private shit corpos. From where I come, we vote on a paper. And boy, it works fucking great.
A troubling number of which are owned by Trump's close buddies.
Like Dominion Voting Systems being bought by a former republican election official https://coloradosun.com/2025/10/09/dominion-voting-systems-sold/
Californian here, we've always voted with paper in the 5-6 different cities I've lived in here.
It does work great.
It doesn't produce results instantly, which means the President can scream "election fraud!" when results come in over time and numbers change.
This is the age old critique of digital security. Social engineering will do more harm than any technical safety features can prevent.
I don't think it's better to instead give them a way to speedrun fraud.
People can scream fraud, who cares. Just mean you're a sore loser.
In Australia we get the 'general' result, i.e. which party won and winners of most seats, on the night of the election, with a few seats needing a week or two to fully count and recount. Sure it might take a few hours but the AEC have things pretty streamlined.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/election-fraud-conspiracy-theorists-falsely-claim-the-australian-election-was-stolen/
Does not seem to have deterred the usual crowd. And with the state of Australian media, this is increasingly becoming the popular belief.
Lots of people in the US vote on paper too (maybe counted by a scantron like machine).
It's a country with like 350 million people on a land mass that's about the same size as China. Each state controls its elections, and they all do it slightly differently.
But yeah I agree with the private corporations part. That's fucking dumb.
Only the blue and red states allow the use of electronic voting machines. Our dumbest state uses them exclusively.
All others use paper.
For the uninitiated, what do the acronyms mean?
here's what looks like the source page with acronyms defined: https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_equipment_by_state
The third least educated state (Louisiana), so perhaps not the literal dumbest.
Americans: failing to solve problems nobody has since 1776
Solving the problem of secure and trustworthy voting is a problem as old as democracy itself
Most of the first world had that figured out a long time ago.
They haven't. The procedures in place only work if the folks in charge are honorable and the voters are trustworthy.
What we have, in the modern day, is a deep skepticism of elections outside of the NATO block and a naive presumption of infallibility inside the block (among liberals, mostly assuming their guys win).
In the US, in particular, even liberals are increasingly distrustful of the physical apparatus of vote collection and tabulation. It's been a long time coming (2000 and 2004 being very nakedly and obviously stolen races). But trustworthiness has taken a real nosedive since 2024.
You need to stop looking at americans as some sort of normal people whose problems apply to everyone else.
Motherfuckers can't even get the concept of national ID cards right.
No, I'm in Europe, but we have those issues too sometimes.
There's a sharp dispute over the purpose of such a card. Do you want cards to rapidly integrate people into your society? Or do you want them to strictly exclude and segregate people into immuntable castes?
Hard to create a single universal document if you can't agree on that premise.
It's just a national proof of citizenship it's not that deep.
I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country
That's how the SSN was pitched, sure. Then it became a reliable unique identifier and started getting used for everything.
Which country do all the smart people live in, again?