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The idea (and I'm not defending it here necessarily, just stating FIDE's reasoning) is to offer a safe space for women to compete professionally at the game. There's a huge "boy's club" problem in chess and many of some of the best male players in the world are notoriously sexist. Women who have participated in the mainline tournaments in the past have complained of sexism. Garry Kasparov even notoriously claimed one woman was cheating after she bested him.
Chess isn't also gendered both ways. There's women's tournaments and women's titles, but not a men's tournament. Men participate in an "everybody" tournament that women are welcome to join.
Think of it like the women's only carriages in trains in some countries. Only women can go in those carriages, but women can go in the other carriages if they want to.
Except for the bit where it doesn't (assuming you are on feminising HRT)...
This comment is being removed because it's not by a medical professional and is either factually incorrect or is not presenting a good faith argument on the validity of inclusion for transgender athletes. For an example of a good faith scientific consensus please check out the following review: https://www.cces.ca/transgender-women-athletes-and-elite-sport-scientific-review
You may want to take another look at beehaw's FAQ, specifically the bit on the spirit of the rules...
Be(e) nice. Don't accuse someone of lying because they said something you don't agree with.
I'm just going to leave this here.
https://www.critic.co.nz/features/article/9592/how-an-otago-study-is-enabling-transphobia-in-medi
Trans women have less testosterone than cis women, to the point where if they want to have some in their system they have to take progesterone.
So, basically, you're just making stuff up.
The estrogen treatment regimens used in transgender women aim to lower testosterone levels to within the female range (<1 nmol/L) [52]. However, hormone therapy alone has met limited success in suppressing testosterone levels, with many transgender women failing to achieve the desired level. In recent studies of transgender women, one quartile failed to achieve any significant suppression [53] and one-third failed to suppress testosterone levels despite achieving desired estradiol levels [54]. Another study reported that only 49% of transgender women showed suppressed testosterone concentrations after 6 months or more of estrogen with the addition of antiandrogen therapy [55]. Notably, Jarin and colleagues show that testosterone levels in transgender women decreased significantly from former male levels, however nearly all participants maintained their testosterone levels above the female range [56]. Whether elite transwoman athletes experience the same difficulties in suppressing testosterone levels with estrogen therapy has not been reported.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9331831/
No, I'm really not making things up. This is actual scientific fact.
Just going to leave a comment here because it's the highest up comment chain where you're cherry picking a single scientific article and ignoring the complexity of the problem. There's a few issues with what you're doing and I don't really have time to write up an entire guide as to why this isn't nice, but I'm just going to leave the following points:
In pre-op trans women. In post-op trans women the testosterone drops to zero ... the IOC requires women to be post-op in order to compete, for example.
So your "actual scientific fact" is a nicely cherry-picked piece of BS.
My last testosterone reading was 14 (ng/dL) which is less than cis women. What you are saying is demonstrably false.
This argument is irrelevant in the end because trans women are women. Even if it were true that some trans women have a net advantage due to having gone through a male puberty, It's okay to have biological advantages in sports. That's kind of the point of sports, no? As long as they're taking hrt to get rid of the bulk of the advantages a male body brings I don't see what the issue is.
The second you exclude trans women, it is no longer a women's division.
Go look up the performance of MtF swimmers before and after their transition rather than spouting pseudoscience.
You mean like division 1 champion lia Thomas?
Yeah, that's like, one example. Trans women aren't exactly setting the athletic world on fire.
I'm not really trying to comment on the trans part of the post even though that's the main thing. I just wanted to provide clarity on why the gender "separation" exists within FIDE rules. A lot of people seem to automatically think that FIDE is assuming there's a clear gender advantage when it's really just making space for women to play without judgment.