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Fuck the DNC.
The DNC is an open enemy of the left. They're explicitly paid by the oligarchy to oppose leftist candidates.
The DNC, more than any other organization in existence, is responsible for Trump's presidency. They did more than anyone else to ensure - not once but twice - that he would win. The voters made it very clear that they wanted a leftist, and the DNC effectively said, "Fuck you - you're going to get a pro-corporate, pro-zionist, neoliberal piece of shit and if you don't like it, that's your fucking problem."
And they're already laying the groundwork to do it again in 2028.
I blame Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Hillary Clinton for not letting Bernie battle Trump in 2016. Trump didn't win that election, Hillary lost it.
Bernie would have shone a light on their corruption, and they can't have that.
Yes.
Aside from Trump himself, I would go so far as to say that the one single person in the entire world who bears more responsibility for Trump's presidency than anyone else is Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.
The voters clearly expressed their preference for Sanders and Sanders easily led both Clinton and Trump in polling, and then the DNC effectively fraudulently nominated Clinton anyway (with their technically valid but obviously corrupt defense being that they weren't required to accept the voters' preference).
They set the stage for Trump and the oligarchs to just walk right in, and then tried to blame everybody but themselves when they walked right in.
Bernie overwhelmingly lost against Hillary, he was really only popular on the internet with people that don't vote in the first place, he never stood a fucking chance.
Look at how the ‘release’ of the 2024 post mortem report is being handled. You’d think it was the fucking Epstein files the way the chair of the DNC oversaw it, reviewed it, and then instructed his team to release their findings and not the report which is over 200 pages. He claims it’s because we ‘need to look forward and not navel gaze and point fingers, we need to learn lessons from the past and move on’. He says this while withholding the actual report from the public and many high ranking officials in the party at large.
The entire thing feels just as you described, ‘fuck you, we are staying the same because that’s all we’re good at, deal with it.’
If we are stuck with this two party system, the Democratic Party needs a huge overhaul, and that report could be a pretty big light in a fucking huge tunnel.
Yeah - I've commented on the autopsy elsewhere, and... yeah.
It's bludgeoningly obvious that they won't release the autopsy because it places blame on themselves, and quite likely even points to specific things that they fully intend to do again, or even are already doing again.
They know full well that they're betraying the voters and they just dont care.
And they deserve to just be thrown out like the trash they are. Send them to the scrap heap and replace them with an entirely new organization that will at the very least actually try to promote candidates the voters actually want to vote for.
Yeah, I'm gonna hard NOPE right out of that assertion. The republicans are not virgins at a debutante's ball, they've been working directly toward this goal for at least forty years, and the ones that are up there now, including the house speaker and corrupt SCOTUS, are doing everything in their power to keep him there, marching in lockstep as they go.
Where is your broad censure for them, the ones actively planning and carrying out Project 2025, the ones robbing the country blind, the ones doing everything they can right now to ensure we lose our democracy? Because it's sure as fuck nowhere in your comment.
This is true, and by far not the DNC's only crime.
But when you give the actual perps a complete, total, 100% pass in favor of attacking the only people still trying to stop them (even though some of them are only vaguely gesturing in that direction, to be sure) you're batting for the wrong team.
That said, I'll never vote for a non-progressive over a progressive again as long as I live. If by that time I still have a vote that matters, of course.
The DNC's role in the rightward push is obviously less straightforward than the RNC's push, but it's at least as important. The DNC's job is to ensure that Republicans retain all of their wins moving right while Democrats make none that move left.
The URL made me skeptical, but that was an excellent read - thanks for sharing.
It was originally posted on someone's blog a long time ago and has since been reposted elsewhere.
That's you. What part of that do the rest of us not understand?
Because you lazily used non-specific yet all-encompassing language as hyperbole and in the process created a lie.
No, it's very much your problem: I've never had to call anyone else stupid for what I chose to write, but that's the entirety of your post history.
Self-evidently, you don't understand what I meant.
The Republicans did what they could to get Trump elected, but it rather obviously wouldn't have been enough by itself. If the DNC had nominated a candidate the voters actually wanted who had then run on a platform the voters actually wanted, Trump would have lost.
Therefore the DNC - the people most responsible for forcing through a candidate the people didn't want and for rejecting the platform the people wanted and instead running on the platform the oligarchs wanted - bear more responsibility for Trump's election than anyone else.
That's exactly what I meant, and I stand by it.
And before you go veering to your backup strawman - that doesn't in any way absolve the Republicans of anything. They're loathsome scum who nominated a jabbering psychopath who's overseen the most corrupt and destructive administration in US history.
But similarly, that doesnt change the fact that the Democrats could have stopped them, but the DNC fucked it up.
No - I didn't take you by the hand and walk you through my reasoning, and you then jumped to one of the currently most tediously regurgitated strawmen out there.
Neither have I.
I have sometimes called them stupid for their piss-poor job of interpreting what I wrote though.
And here's a secret - I don't do that because I believe they actually are stupid - if I believed that, I'd silently pity them
I call people stupid just to needle them when they're actually pretentious pseudo-intellectuals who substitute fallacies for arguments.
Something something "all-encompassing language as hyperbole and in the process created a lie."
Yeah, but if you were here 6 months ago, Lemmy had pitchforks out for this guy.
I had pitch forks out for the lady running against him. she finally stepped down. Im just thankful the dudes blue collar and has a progressive platform. The rest of the states need to worry about their own elections. Don't come talking to me if your senator is Ted Cruz or Chuck Schumer.
If the dnc and not Trump or nonvoters are the reason Trump won, that's an absolutely damning condemnation of the entirety of American culture and people. You're saying the entire culture is so myopic selfish and self destructive that we'll gladly burn our house down because our gilded shit wasn't also diamond encrusted. Like do you even understand how absolutely fucked and warped your perspective is to legitimately blame literally the only vehicle for progress in America for the lack of progress instead of the entities actively attacking and dismantling the fucking country, pretending like a third of the population isn't openly supremacist and actively wants the death of another third. Just be honest that you're an accelerationist or straight up republican because that's all you're helping.
Weird that looking back through your profile, you only show up every month or two, in the wake of one specific event, then make a flurry of posts angrily pimping the oligarch line, then vanish again.
And doubly weird that so many of your posts accuse other posters of working for, or at least carrying water for, some group or another, almost as if that whole notion of deceptively posting for the benefit of some specific group has a permanent place right at the forefront of your mind.
Well that's a fuckin reach. I get tired of Lemmy throating the same dozen ml posters over and over so I leave again. I'm sorry that i understand that this supposed revolution all you accelerationists think is the only path forward isn't actually feasible, and that the only actual possible change is through the system. Because if the system collapses then you and untold millions more will die shortly after. Idiots thinking overthrowing capitalism won't completely destroy the social world order and kill most of you with it.
You appear to have forgotten that you were interacting with an actual person who made some specific statements, because at this point you're just shouting at a crude stereotype that exists in your own mind to which you've assigned positions I didn't even mention, much less claim to hold.
You might as well have just posted, "Get thee hence Satan!" It's about equally accurate, conveys the same basic message and is far fewer words.
bro you got me crying over here with get thee hence satan. gtfouhhhhhh
Well you've got the projection down so we're back to you just being a republican what with that being their bread and butter.
Derp.
Mamdani overthrew the economy in New York City everyone. Untold millions... dying in the streets.
Leftist politicians, even if they win, will be the destruction of all human kind. We have to accept capitalism and its destructive wake. It's the best way forward for humanity. Pay no attention what-so-ever to the capitalists blowing up school girls to bloody bits raining in streets in Iran to manipulate the oil market—they're failing so it's okay as long as little girls die for capitalism. Stop! Fighting! Capitalism! leftists! IT'S GOOD FOR YOU!
Who the fuck do you think elected mamdani? It wasn't republicans.
No one who wanted Andrew Cuomo to win wanted Mamdani to win. Did Chuck Schumer elect Mamdani?
Voters have made it very clear they do not want leftists. Leftist win the fewest elections out of all ideologies across the whole spectrum.
Blaming the DNC for the actions of voters is ignorant.
Leftist have the fewest voters and candidates out of all the ideologies across the spectrum due to their own lack of popularity.
The DNC has failed the voter base. People got excited when Obama first ran. No one wanted Clinton or Biden, but the DNC forced them through, which certainly showed with voter turnout.
They could use this moment we are in right now to win some of the base back. Hold town halls, where all they do is listen to communities. Use all of that to develop a platform people actually get excited for. Put forth candidates who reflect those values. ???? Potentially get the ship pointed in the general direction that might lead us to something better than what we have now.
They both did better than leftist. Which is expected because centrist are the largest voting demographic.
Leftists could do this also but I’ve seen more liberals doing it this election season than leftists. Which is expected because leftist have so few voters.
I think the people here have a massively skewed idea as to how many leftist voters are in the US. Bernie literally lost the primary, and they still act like Kamala would have won if she had pandered more to the left.
You’re right and if no one steps in and tries to bring them back to reality they will try to run a campaign without the support of the voters and America with slide further right as a result of their delusional thinking.
Happy cake day! Do we say that on Lemmy?
I agree. I doubt that leftist candidates would be popular in the context of what I said. I see it realistically as short of revolution, the dems are not going anywhere. If they actually listened to America, they might hear our voices too. This would help get our proverbial foot in the door, where we could actually push the party from center-right to at least left adjacent. I’d also support us simply experiencing a paradigm shift spontaneously, but I get the feeling that won’t happen…yet.
Bernie won the primaries against Hillary if the DNC hadn't ignored the will of the people with superdelegates. And he had a 10% greater lead against Trump than she did. So that's clearly untrue. All polls indicated that he would have easily won against Trump.
I posted a lot about this on my blog back then if you are interested. Scroll down a bit . Many of the links no longer work but you will get the idea.
What about the polls that said Hilary was going to win? They were wrong so couldn’t your polls be wrong also?
Seems like you’re giving those polls merit based on who you want to win.
Republicans were praying that Bernie would win the primary in 2016 because they knew he would be easier to beat.
I personally know 2 conservatives that switched to democrat to vote for Bernie in the 2016 primary because they were so confident he would lose but they weren’t sure they could beat Hilary. They laughed at the idea of Bernie winning.
The polls weren't really saying that on any regular basis. A few said she'd squeak by, some said she'd lose, but she never really had a 10 point lead like Bernie.
The rest of your statements and link are anecdotal nonsense hit pieces of the type that was very commonly posted in the corporate media back then to dissuade the easily fooled into not taking Sanders seriously.
The exact same is true for Bernie. That’s the fact that I am pointing out while reminding you of your bias.
Your argument is ‘the polls are wrong when they say what I don’t want to hear but they are accurate when they say what I want to hear’
Look at the link I sent. Pretty much all the polls showed him 5-12% ahead of Trump. None showed Hillary ahead by that much. The DNC made an own goal and it was obvious that it would play out that way.
Your sources are your own blog. Hopefully I don’t need to explain why that isn’t a credible source. Especially when they start off with this red flag: “First off, Jill Stein and the Green Party were not a spoiler in this election”
If the polls are inaccurate then it doesn’t matter what the polls say…
Come on, those are all links to other sources. Now you're just being disengenuous.
Don’t try moving the goalpost. Especially to promote your blog…
The fact of the matter is if the polls are wrong for Hillary then they are wrong for Bernie.
Wrong doesn’t mean that averaging them out gives you an indicator of what the real election results would be.
It means that the polls are wrong and will skew one way or another depending on the group polled.