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U.S. Vice President JD Vance said on April 14 that he is proud of Washington cutting off funding to Ukraine amid Russian aggression, listing it among the Trump administration's top achievements.

Speaking at a Turning Point USA event in Athens, Georgia, Vance recalled being confronted by a Ukrainian-American over his calls to halt funding for Ukraine.

"And this person got really agitated at me because I was saying we should stop funding the Ukraine war," Vance said.

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[-] 8oow3291d@feddit.dk 96 points 1 month ago

But they had to sit out the election because of Palestine!

Not that they care that Trump just lifted all restrictions on Bibi in Gaza, the morally important thing is to teach Harris a lesson!

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago

And signal their inability to tell between different levels of evil, or to see things beyond a 14-day timeframe, apparently.

They don't want to understand that harris was the lesser evil from where to start something new. But they are also coward enough to not admit that by not voting, they put pedohitler and harris at the same level.

They won't ever admit it because they know it means that they couldn't see anything worse on the child rapist than in harris. In the end, for them, raping children and supporting israhell not worse than just supporting israhell, meaning that for them, raping children is not something to consider when voting for a president.

[-] loutr@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

There's the child-raping, and then there's the whole barreling towards a cyberpunk hellhole that Trump and the heritage foundation are engineering. This doesn't seem like a difficult choice to make, I honestly can't understand these people.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

I think when it comes to those people, my judgement is fair: they are amoral idiots who are maybe worse than trump supporters. Trump supporters proudly exclaim they're involved in fascism and everything else that history taught us is horrendous. The protest non voting "leftist" not only hides what they are, they seek to maximize the number of others who increase the damage. Then they want you to feel morally inferior if you didn't join them in helping to destroy the social fabric.

[-] Goodeye8@piefed.social 20 points 1 month ago

I used to be critical of sitouts but over time I've grown more sympathetic towards them. Imagine voting out Trump with the expectation that Trump is going to come swinging next election and democrats will prepare to make sure fascism doesn't get a foothold in America. And then for the next 4 years you see nothing being done to prevent fascism and what worse, you see democrats capitulate to fascists and normalize fascism by moving to the right themselves. I too would get jaded about voting when there's no "I don't want fascists" option. What failed America weren't the sitouts. It's the decades of political apathy letting corporations take over politics, which has led to republicans going full fascist and democrats turning into controlled opposition.

Blaming the sitouts isn't going to solve anything because what are they supposed to do? Voting for democrats isn't going to get rid of the fascists, it's only going to delay until the democrats themselves turn openly fascist. Obviously they shouldn't vote for the republican party because that's a lost cause. Voting current third party candidates is kinda pointless because of how the political system works. So what's the solution you expect from the sitouts? I'dsay sitouts have nothing to do until there's a schism in the democratic party and the progressives split from the establishment democrats. Then sitouts should vote for the progressives and I imagine the vast majority of them will because then they'll actually have someone willing to represent them.

[-] 8oow3291d@feddit.dk 23 points 1 month ago

And then for the next 4 years you see nothing being done to prevent fascism

While Biden should have done more, Trump was put on trial. The system could and should have worked, and Trump would be in prison, except for the corrupt judges instated by Republicans who sabotaged the trials. Especially SCROTUS.

And now the sitouts, who you are sympathetic to, has just put Republicans in power again. And Republicans are appointing more corrupt judges, stacking the courts. All because of sitouts. And then when Democrats are in power again, sitouts will again complain about Democrats doing nothing when those corrupt judges block Democrats. Fuck sitouts, they are stupid.

[-] Goodeye8@piefed.social 17 points 1 month ago

Do you know what would've kept Trump away? Absolute low-hanging fruits like fixing the healthcare system and affordability. Democrats could've taken a "what's a social democracy" checklist, put half of them as their campaign promises and had a landslide victory. The democrats didn't need to put Trump in prison to prevent him, all they needed to do was give the people what they need and they couldn't even do that because it would hurt their corporate overlords.

[-] 8oow3291d@feddit.dk 20 points 1 month ago

Absolute low-hanging fruits like fixing the healthcare system and affordability.

Voters did not give Democrats the votes in Congress for this.

Sometimes I think Americans just don't know how democracy works at all. If you do not give a party legislative power, then you can't blame that party for not passing legislation.

[-] Goodeye8@piefed.social 11 points 1 month ago

So Trump can run on affordability but democrats can't?

[-] 8oow3291d@feddit.dk 13 points 1 month ago

Trump lies. Trump has just caused huge inflation, with the oil crisis caused by the Iran War. Would you be happy if Democrats just lied too?

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[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Trump can shamelessly lie and the media and his supporters will eat it up while democrats are held to an entirely different standard. Yes.

[-] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hello! We offer you a child rapist, convicted felon who supports bibi the nazi, that plans to install nazism in your country and take you back 500 years in rights and quality of life OR a stablishment candidate that will keep things as they are now.

Apparently, things before trump were so awfully worse than people had a hard time between staying the same and voting for the child rapist, convicted felon who supports bibi the nazi, that plans to install nazism in your country and take you back 500 years in rights and quality of life.

[-] Goodeye8@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago

Hello! We offer you a child rapist, convicted felon who supports bibi the nazi, that plans to install nazism in your country and take you back 500 years in rights and quality of life OR a stablishment candidate that will keep things as they are now, slipping into fascism.

Now that's a more accurate representation of the offers. And yeah, clearly things did get to shit that people no longer cared to vote on whether to get fucked right now or later.

Do you want to go full fash in a couple of years? Or go slowly and maybe work in the meanwhile to change things?

And, are you telling me that by the end of biden's presidency things were as bad as they are now?

[-] Goodeye8@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Or go slowly and maybe work in the meanwhile to change things?

America tried that between 2020-2024 and how did that end? You still went full fascist. You want my scorching hot take? Had Trump won in 2020 things wouldn't be as bad as they are right now because he wouldn't have had time to plan out how to properly fuck everything over. He would've gone into his second presidency with poor popularity and an uprising would've happened sooner rather than later. By playing the waiting game you've brought more suffering into the world.

You didn't have to choose pedohitler. He could have lost if all the sitouts voted against him. And for 2028 he would be dead.

But by electing him in 2024, you probably killed democracy in the country. I guess it was better than electing a non-nazi candidate... Well, what to say? Enjoy your choice. The rest of the world is certainly enjoying it and can't wait to pay you back for all the enjoyment your choice is causing us.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

"bad things happened, fuck it I'll help more bad things happen" will never be the reasonable take you're trying to say it is.

[-] Goodeye8@piefed.social 8 points 1 month ago

That's not what I said. I said "shit is bad and I have a choice between shit getting worse fast or slow, so I don't care which I choose because both options lead to shit going bad".

If you had to pick between getting fucking in the ass with a 9 inch dildo or a 6 inch dildo that will eventually grow to 9 inches, do you really care that the 6 inches is smaller right now? Or would you prefer to not get fucked in the ass in the first place? You probably wouldn't be getting fucked in the ass by a 9 inch dildo if the alternative was to not get fucked in the ass at all.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

You just illustrated in your own analogy perfectly what our point is. These people never had a real choice if they cared about the outcome, they just wanted to feel blameless for the bad choice they wanted to make.

[-] Goodeye8@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago

So you'd rather get fucked by a 6 inch dildo than demand to not get fucked as all. Got it.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Your analogy explicitly lays out the options and just whining about there not existing a third option does not change anything.

[-] Goodeye8@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago

And there's no third option because anyone who falls out of line to demand more gets told to fall back in line. Case in point blaming the sitouts. They're sitting out because they don't want to get fucked and you're flaming them for not wanting a 6 inch dildo up their ass.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

If sitting out somehow resulted in a redo instead of the worse option winning, you'd have a point.

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[-] rautapekoni@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 month ago

I find your focus on assfucking strange. It's almost as if you're as afraid of it as these sitouts are of admitting responsibility.

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[-] prole 8 points 1 month ago

"shit is bad and I have a choice between shit getting worse fast or slow, so I don't care which I choose because both options lead to shit going bad".

This is so fucking ignorant. People are literally dying worldwide because of the actions of these people in 2025

[-] Goodeye8@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago

Yeah. And none of it would've happened if the democrats had actually tried to appeal to their voters instead of pulling the same "but our hands are tied so we won't even try" shit they've been doing for decades. Do you want a pad on the back for it happening in 2025 and not 2022-2023? Had Harris been voted it would be happening in 2029. You're missing the big picture. This was always going to happen because there's no pushback against fascism, there's only kicking the can down the road.

[-] HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social 10 points 1 month ago

Perhaps, if more people voted for Dems more regularly they'd have more balls to do stuff like throw trump in jail etc. But as it is now, they have to deal with having a very tight margins on the political capital they have to spend. Not voting just makes things worse.

[-] Goodeye8@piefed.social 10 points 1 month ago

As I pointed out in my other comment, they didn't need to throw Trump in jail. Had they campaigned on what people actually need (you know shit that is common sense in other western nations like free healthcare, affordable housing, workers rights, free education) they would've easily beaten Trump. This notion that they needed to lock up Trump to win is exactly what is wrong with the democratic party. It's not focusing on what they can do for the people, it's focusing on what they can do to be in power. Demand more from the democrats.

[-] HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social 9 points 1 month ago

You are missing my point. They can't do the things that people want because the same people don't vote for them enough and give them big enough majority and enough political capital. Its always 49,9% vs. 50,1% or something stupid like that. In that sort of system they have to walk the middle road as much as possible to pull the morons away from the right. If they start doing stuff like universal healthcare etc, the morons are just going to yell "communism!!111!!1!" and vote them out in the next cycle. So of course they can't do that, because they are afraid of being voted out.

Its 100% the voters fault for being such stupid morons that the adults in the room have to cater to the idiot babies who have the votes.

[-] Goodeye8@piefed.social 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And people don't vote for them because they never offer the voters what they want. Do you see the problem here?

[-] HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social 8 points 1 month ago

Yeah I see the problem. The people need to take the first step and support them for more than a couple of election cycles. And I don't mean just voting. Vote, contact them, go to their events, call them, send mail, emails. Make sure your voice is heard.

I find it ridiculous that people sit at home and yell at their tv "they aren't doing what I want!" and think they are politically active. Goddamn morons.

[-] Goodeye8@piefed.social 8 points 1 month ago

That is not how representational democracy works. The politicians represents what you want and then you vote for them. It doesn't work the other way around where you vote for a politician and then maybe they'll do what you want them to do. Is it their job to know what you want BECAUSE IT IS THEIR JOB TO FUCKING REPRESENT YOU.

It shouldn't come as a surprise that sympathy towards Israel is waning, there are multiple polls from multiples sources showing that. So why hasn't the democratic party taken a more anti-Israel stance? Is it because they're too fucking incompetent at their job to know what the people want (in which case why the fuck would you vote for them in the first place) or is it because they don't care what the people want because they get money from AIPAC?

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[-] MrSmoothPP@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 month ago

People not wanting blood on their hands is not an endorsement of Republicans doing more of the same.

The only reason you even frame it like that is because you can't defend a party of mass murderers on their own merits, so you have to compare them to Republicans to absolve your own complicity.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

In a binary system that's the way it goes. It sucks, but that's the reality we live in.

Good job helping Trump win.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

People not wanting blood on their hands is not an endorsement of Republicans doing more of the same.

Children... 😞

Didn't Mom and Dad teach you about the US system of government? That a vote is for a better option not a perfect option? That you're voting for the public benefit? That it's sometimes about just keeping things from getting worse?

"I didn't vote" means your didn't do even the bare minimum thing you could have done to have stopped Trump. You're culpable.

[-] MrSmoothPP@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago

I won't be talked down to by people who are fine with the mass slaughter of children. You voted for that. That makes you culpable, so go fuck yourself.

[-] Domino@quokk.au 6 points 1 month ago

Americans are fine with foreign kids dying and committing a genocide elsewhere, they draw the line when their rights are under threat.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Thank you for identifying who you are. I appreciate it when lemmings do that. Like the guy yesterday defending Elon musk. Now I no longer need to wonder if y'all have anything valuable to say.

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