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submitted 1 year ago by audiomodder to c/main

I’m not sure what’s going on over there, but half the time I see a post from there or go into a comment section and it’s just…bad. Like old reddit the_donald bad. Constant trolling, etc. You TS just really bad vibes. I’ve been blocking the communities as they come up, but I’m not sure what else I can do.

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[-] ShittyKopper 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i've been filtering hexbear's communities from my all feed with uBO^1 because of the tankie vibes, but outside their own communities hexbear people seem to behave themselves reasonably well. considering lemmygrad is defederated i can expect them being defederated as well just because of the politics, but they don't seem too brigade-y to the communities here.

to be fair i've been blocking all the politics and politic-adjacent communities left right and center so perhaps i'm just not seeing the bad parts of hexbear, but shitposting wise they seem alright.

the only real gripe i have with hexbear is that lemmy's handling of emoji in general suck and man do they like their emojis. but that's a software issue more than anything

[-] Strawberry 45 points 1 year ago

We defederated lemmygrad? Why?

[-] melmi 24 points 1 year ago
[-] ada 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Politics alone isn't the issue. That's why hexbear isn't defederated. The issue with lemmygrad was the brigading, trolling, and being ok with wishing death on the people of NATO (not just memes/quips about dismantling the organisation)

Edit - Clarified some wording

[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

You do realize that NATO and it's member states routinely prop up regimes that persecute the queer community, right? Basic example, universally exerting military pressure in defence of commerce and logistics for trade with Saudi Arabia, a place where we would be executed. They don't stand for our rights or safety, Turkey and Poland are member states for crying out loud! This is a multinational organization who's purpose is increasing arms trade and conflict, not crusade for queer liberation - it would be doing it's business (and does) regardless of human and queer rights violations going on within it's boarders. Queer people outside the west see it and have very negative sentiments towards NATO, do you really want to silence their voices when they'll tell you directly how organizations like this have directly contributed to their suffering? It's a government/military organization, not a human rights organization, it doesn't need anyone here to be running cover for it.

[-] ada 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've clarified my post. I was referring to wishing death on the people of NATO, not simply calling for the dismantling of the organisation.

Edit - I won't be responding to the brigade. Your own instance has rules against it. Pull your heads in

[-] ShareThatBread@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

people of NATO

Are you talking about those that work within the NATO organisational structure? You realise they aren’t conscientious objectors. They are willing participants.

[-] ada 10 points 1 year ago

No one is wishing anyone death on an instance I admin. It's a pretty clear line.

[-] ShareThatBread@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Which it is you think the users on lemmygrad are doing with the statement "death to NATO". I'll give you an easy and clear list to pick from.

  1. Wishing for the disbandment of NATO
  2. Wishing for the people involved in the NATO organisation to die
  3. Wishing for the people in NATO nations to die
[-] Starlet@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

top post of all time on hexbear https://hexbear.net/post/52

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

NATO is a modern day imperialist organisation that most in the third world/global south hate. The vast majority of the world's population hates NATO. It is a contemporary imperialist organisation. I have met almost no one in South Africa that is pro NATO, or Western military organisations, in my entire life. The kind of people in South Africa that are pro NATO or Western military operations are also the kind to be pro apartheid, racist and homophobic/extremely transphobic. I have lived in South Africa for nearly 25 years, and this is a constant trend with almost no exceptions. I implore you to think why that is.

Works by authors such is Michael Parenti, Samir Amin and Vijay Prashad could be very helpful to understand why people outside of the west hold anti NATO views.

If the goal of this instance is to be inclusive of LGBTQIA+ people from the entire world (like me), I don't see how you can do that without allowing for anti NATO attitudes. NATO countries constantly push bigoted anti LGBT propaganda abroad while gaywashing at home.

[-] ada 7 points 1 year ago

I've clarified my post. I was referring to wishing death on the people of NATO, not simply calling for the dismantling of the organisation.

[-] Strawberry 57 points 1 year ago

"Death to NATO"

I don't really understand this one, why is it bad to call for the dissolution of an organization?

[-] ada 6 points 1 year ago

I've clarified my post. I was referring to wishing death on the people of NATO, not simply calling for the dismantling of the organisation.

[-] usa_suxxx@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

and being ok with comments like "Death to NATO" etc.

sounds about white.

[-] Erika2rsis 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Honestly, if I were in your shoes, I would allow "wishing death on the people of NATO". And I grew up with ol' Jens as my homeland's prime minister! I've got American soldiers in my backyard and Russia declaring my dear Norway to be "hostile" twice!

It's like, I just cannot really imagine what "wishing death on the people of NATO" even means. Who exactly would wish for the extermination of the citizenry of exactly 31-to-be-32 nations because of their membership in one specific organization? Are people out here wishing death on the people of the European Union as well? "Down with the people of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact?" Or are the "people of NATO" supposed to be those who willingly chose to support this organization through personal involvement in it?

It's easier for me to imagine maybe that people from Hexbear were expressing loud contempt for the imperial core... But if the citizens of the richer part of the Walled World feel uncomfortable because of that, then even for an instance that "want[s its] community members to be guided by compassion and empathy for others.", I just could not bring myself to care if I were an instance admin. As a citizen of the imperial core, if people in the imperial periphery want to talk about how much they hate people like me, even if they go so far as to say "death to Norway", then let them. In fact I said "hell yeah!" when I saw the Mapuche graffiti reading "GUERRA A NORUEGA" when I learned about Statkraft's decades of violation of Indigenous rights in Chile.

As a gentile, Jews can tell me to drop dead; as a white person, BIPOC can tell me to drop dead; as a sedentary person, travelers can tell me to drop dead; as a sighted person, blind/visually impaired people can tell me to drop dead; as a hearing person, deaf/HOH people can tell me to drop dead; as someone who unfortunately still eats meat, vegans can talk serious trash about me for not kicking the habit already; and so forth. And contrariwise as an autistic trans person, I should be free to talk as much trash as I'd damned well please about neurotypicals and cis people. Part of reckoning with one's privilege should be understanding that those oppressed by systems that one personally benefits from shouldn't have to show you any respect. They should be allowed to get mad as hell and tell one to drop dead! Putting up with that is real respect. Putting up with that means that you understand the hierarchies at play in your life.

That is my opinion: That if we are not allowed to use even the harshest words towards our oppressors, that we will only be a community that preaches the aesthetics of empathy and compassion, rather than living it as fact. I have absolutely enjoyed my time as a Blåhaj Lemmy user, I wish for this instance to grow and flourish, and I wish for this to be my criticism of your administration.

[-] ada 5 points 1 year ago

Harsh words aren't the issue and they are not why lemmygrad was defederated.

[-] Erika2rsis 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Then what are you even talking about?! Who are the "people of NATO" and why is it bad to wish death on them?! My whole point is that it should be permissible to wish death on people in positions of power and privilege, and regardless of if "people of NATO" refers to "organizational staff/soldiers" or "citizenry of member states", that would be the case. Do you disagree with this premise and if so why?!

You have been a good admin, so please forgive me for being so forceful.

Edit: And what happened to the comment about "death to Nazis and transphobes"? I don't see it anymore. You didn't remove it, did you? That would reflect very poorly on your administration if you did.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

wishing death on the people of NATO (not just memes/quips about dismantling the organisation)

That is not what the phrase "Death to NATO" means, setting aside that "NATO" doesn't have a "people" as it is a treaty organization, unless you mean, like, the heads-of-state and such who run it, vote in it, etc. In that case, phrasing it as "people of NATO" is the most pseudo-populist thing I have heard in years.

[-] melmi 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Glad to get clarification, I wasn't sure if you'd given an explanation anywhere.

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