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[-] ssfckdt 25 points 2 months ago

Both parties have the identical end goal in mind. One is just slower at it.

[-] MediumGray@lemmy.ca 48 points 2 months ago

So for fucks sake pick the one that's slower at it so you have more time to do something about it. It's not like voting locks you out of any other actions.

[-] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago

But Americans aren’t doing anything about it except voting.

[-] Angrydeuce@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I hate this take, because it ignores the reality that this isn't Europe and that you can't even get sick in this country without health insurance with risking homelessness, let alone any massive coordinated action.

Like around here they're always posting pictures of protests and you look at the people at the protests and it's all retirees and college kids. Why? Because everyone else is at fucking work because if they're not at work they miss a mortgage/rent payment and end up living in their car. The majority of US states have at will employment laws meaning they can and will fire you with no notice or even need to provide justification beyond the performative "this termination not due to you being a member of a legally protected class".

Wage slaves are still slaves, and telling people today that their inaction means they're complicit is no different then going back in time 200 years and telling the slaves on the plantations that they're just as responsible for their bondage as the people that put them in chains. Fuck that nonsense.

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 6 points 2 months ago

It's no use asking these people to do any kind of direct action. They think abstaining once every four years will bring an end to capitalism. They'll never attend a protest or vote in a primary, much less pick up a gun for the revolution.

[-] Digit@lemmy.wtf 6 points 2 months ago

Or, vote for something other than going to the bad place?

Someone offers you two pills, you don't have to take either. You can make your own, and seek other options.

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah, but if you say "I don't care, I have absolutely no preference", then when kids get blown up in Iran it becomes your fault.

[-] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah. Don't say that. Who's advocating for that? Did you think I was advocating for that??

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 2 months ago

Well, there's this thing called voting literacy, and the thing is, if your voting literacy is poor, you can say things you don't intend to say. So yes, you did say "I don't care, I have absolutely no preference". And it's your responsibility to learn enough mathematics to be able to say what you mean. I'm not gonna treat you like a baby and find the intended meaning in what you say, you have to grow up and say what you mean.

[-] Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 points 2 months ago

Slanderous misrepresentation. Did not say that.

So implausible, it seems you're just trolling. Or maybe have crossed wires, replying to the wrong thing? ... Or maybe have some psyop programs running that you truly believe what you say, with your perception perverted by some kind of groupthink and the false dichotomy fallacies the programming produces? Or maybe narcissistic deflecting and blame shifting and trying to save face rather than entertain an idea and concede the logic and learn from it? Or... maybe you're on to something sound that you've just yet to effectively convey? But then, even if that's so, we're back to projecting, with the peculiarly expressed accusation of failing to communicate effectively (~ with mathematics?). And the condescending gaslighting hypocrisy doesn't help your case much either.

If you can quote the relevant parts, I'm happy to hear out your explanation that refutes my claim I did not say that. Especially if you can do it without the inflamed ego toxicity. LOL.

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 2 months ago

I've explained how and why you're saying you don't have a preference on My blog.

[-] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 month ago

That makes the plausibility of projecting even more curious.

Also [that and the blog post posted 2 weeks before I said the thing] does not explain, nor refute, only further lending to my suspicions, like maybe something got misunderstood about some/all of what I said in:

Or, vote for something other than going to the bad place?

Someone offers you two pills, you don’t have to take either. You can make your own, and seek other options.

to make it mean

I don’t care, I have absolutely no preference

that you've twice reasserted

So yes, you did say “I don’t care, I have absolutely no preference”.

you’re saying you don’t have a preference

means I'm saying I don't have a preference, without yet having demonstrated why... which is delightfully ironic from how that blog post starts...

Wernicke’s Aphasia (pronounced ver-nick-ees) is a neurological disorder involving damage to the part of the brain that comprehends the meanings of words. Patients with Wernicke’s Aphasia communicate with perfect rhythm, pronunciation, and fluency, except that words in their speech don’t mean what the patient thinks they mean. If you haven’t heard of it before, you should absolutely look up a video of a person with this disorder talking, it’s very interesting.

I bring up Wernicke’s Aphasia in the context of voting because I’m trying to come up with a good metaphor for what I mean, here. This idea of a person who miscommunicates in a way that is invisible to themself, but which utterly garbles their meaning. Maybe a better metaphor is those white people who get Chinese tattoos that don’t mean what they think they mean, but I can’t think of a quippy way to reference that. But the idea of losing something in translation is very much what I’d like to talk to you about today.

and from my suspicions from

Well, there’s this thing called voting literacy, and the thing is, if your voting literacy is poor, you can say things you don’t intend to say. So yes, you did say “I don’t care, I have absolutely no preference”. And it’s your responsibility to learn enough mathematics to be able to say what you mean. I’m not gonna treat you like a baby and find the intended meaning in what you say, you have to grow up and say what you mean.

and the context of no explanation offered to hold to account.

But I remain hopeful a clear simple (not time wasting) explanation can be given for such a simple thing that can be explained, rather than condescending self aggrandising hot air red-herring wild goose chase.

How is

Or, vote for something other than going to the bad place?

Someone offers you two pills, you don’t have to take either. You can make your own, and seek other options.

interpreted as saying

I don’t care, I have absolutely no preference

?

... Frankly a question made all the more needed to be re-asked since the blog post's broadly making the same point I'm making with that statement, my comment in question is not falling foul of it, and certainly not saying "I don’t care, I have absolutely no preference”; all the more looking like it was not understood, and the reluctance to offer coherent illustration of how that's been interpreted so, further lends to the suspicion of psychologically projecting, and succumbing to the psychology and philosophical communication fail mentioned in the piece about "voting aphasia" in that projection.

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 1 month ago

You've been advocating for not voting for the Republicans or the Democrats, which according to the mathematics of FPTP, is saying you have no preference and you're an apolitical, regardless of your intentions.

[-] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 month ago

Nope. I prefer not to succumb to the terror scam of greater evil in FPTP's duopoly/monopoly scheme. Many people do so succumb. They see the two parties with the biggest numbers (the biggest chance of taking power), and vote for the one they find to be the lesser of the two evils. Maybe even preferring it and believing it not an evil. But that only heads to more and more evil. And so, a strategy traversing several elections may be required to get the evils unentrenched, if not accomplishing some mass spiritual awakening. Convincing those who only vote for those they perceive as likely to win, may require lots of voting for "a third party", sufficient to get the attention of those who vote in such a pattern.

And so, no magic happens here to make me have no preference, just because it serves crooks to disregard my preference.

[-] ssfckdt 1 points 1 month ago

If you think voting Democrat would have prevented kids being blown up in Iran, you're the fucking idiot here.

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 1 month ago

I think voting Democrat would have prevented kids being blown up in Iran, and it would have prevented ICE from having as many employees throwing immigrants in concentration camps, and I think it would have prevented the genocide of trans people that's going to start next year. And don't call Me an idiot, please.

[-] ssfckdt 1 points 1 month ago

Then there is no hope for you because you are deluded

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's no need to weaponise therapy speak.

[-] ssfckdt 1 points 1 month ago

more time to do something about it

Do what about it exactly?

How the fuck does voting for slow burn help?

[-] MediumGray@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Whatever you think needs to be done; absolutely anything ranging from peaceful protest to violent uprising. What exactly are you arguing, that it's best to sit back and take it? That it's better to put you face in the mouth of the leopard eating you rather than your arm so that at least you have a chance of fighting back? Even if one is an accelerationist (a profoundly naive position in my opinion, but that's another discussion) willfully not voting is the intellectually cowardly option, justifying inaction rather than sticking to your ideals and actively voting for the option you believe will accelerate the most. The point is that voting is not a mutually exclusive action to take like so many people on Lemmy seem to act like it is.

[-] ssfckdt 1 points 1 month ago

Its not about not voting. For a start, there's dozens of things to vote on than just one. Its about being shamed into voting for a bad option and not giving into that pressure tactic, and changing the narrative to making better choices

[-] athatet@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 months ago
[-] Digit@lemmy.wtf 9 points 2 months ago

I've long been wary of anyone peddling an "only way". Yet to find a claim of "only way" that's not fallacious. Quite scary in this parroted psyop. "Be very afraid! Stay in your reactionary social-dominance totalitarian-psyche groupthink mass formation!" XD Gonna a be a beautiful beautiful thing, when people stop falling for it.

Y'know there are more than two sides right? And that they're not even sides? ... Beautiful beautiful thing when people snap out of the "lies so big that not even their inverse are true".

[-] ssfckdt 1 points 1 month ago

"Keep doing the same thing over and over again, and each time, expect a different outcome. It is the smart intelligent sane thing to do." -- Einstein, probably

[-] athatet@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

You mean like rolling dice?

[-] starik@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 months ago
[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Lol.

More "bOtH sIdEz" idiocy.

I'm just sad that more than zero people have upvoted that idiocy. Guess I'll just take solace in the fact that more than twice as many people have downvoted it.

[-] ssfckdt 1 points 1 month ago

"I don't have anything of substance to add so I'll just call you an idiot"

See, you're already acting like a MAGA. Whee.

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