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He says other nations will have to guard and police the Strait of Hormuz as necessary, after his attacks on the country prompted Iran to target vessels in the crucial world shipping lane. Mark Stone analyses the Truth Social post.

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[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 67 points 3 weeks ago

America: I've had enough.

Iran: I didn't hear no bell.

They have no reason to start letting US ships through the strait and America has no ability to stop them.

[-] zeejoo@thelemmy.club 20 points 3 weeks ago

Well according to Chief Cheeto, that doesn't matter because the USA "doesn't use it" 🤦‍♂️

[-] GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone 28 points 3 weeks ago

Ignore the $4/gal sign at your nearest gas station.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 14 points 3 weeks ago

America is a net exporter of oil, Trump could limit the export of oil or make a deal with Venezuela or reduce domestic demand by investing in mass transit and renewables, but any of those would be as bizarre as expecting Richard Nixon to make a trade deal with communist china.

[-] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

A whole new transit network is not going to be there in time for the midterms. Venezuela's oil industry isn't what it used to be, and the US is a net exporter anyway, like you said.

Banning export might actually cure the symptom. The costs would not be zero either, though.

[-] chillhelm@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Banning export means everyone would charge import price -0.01$ per unit for their oil products, same as it is now. At least until storage is filled which will take a good bit of time (US strategic oil reserves are basically empty). The US gas prices aren't high because there is no gas in the US, there is just more profit in selling it overseas.

[-] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Banning export means everyone would charge import price -0.01$ per unit for their oil products, same as it is now.

I'm not quite sure I understand. Import to the US? Obviously, nobody's importing from the US if there's a straight up ban.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

The nationality of the ships isn't important.

Anyway, Iran won't keep antagonizing the entire world if their existence isn't at risk. They haven't been acting like crazy.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 9 points 3 weeks ago

The nationality of the ships isn't important.

It is; Iranian, Indian and Chinese shipping, among others, is being allowed through the straits. Also you're right, but as long as America gets to just bomb them at any moment their existence is at risk, so they'll want some kind of guarantee this won't happen again.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

If it's closed to the US, the ships that go there will just register at Malaysia or whatever.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 9 points 3 weeks ago

Remember the Houthi blockade? It's not that simple.

[-] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Iran ain't stupid. Most ships aren't registered under the flag of the nations they haul to anyway.

[-] mcv@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 weeks ago

Nationality matters. Didn't India negotiate passage for their ships? I can imagine Iran will happily let ships through from countries that cut ties with the US. Don't host US bases, don't use dollars to pay for oil. That sort of thing.

[-] D_C@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe allowing any country's ships through except the us ships would be better.
It shows that Iran is open to some form of conversation or negotiation whilst also saying to the us that their war starting shit won't be tolerated.
And to come back in 12-15 years after there's been a few different presidents to see if they've changed their warmongering ways. (<-- Haha, yeah)

[-] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The problem is no one registers their ships from their actual country. There are a few countries that everyone registers their ships to, so it's not quite as simple as that, there are hidden paper trails connecting many of these boats to their true owners.

Liberia, Panama, and the Marshall Islands are the bigger ones.

[-] IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Backing off means allowing Israel/US to do this again in the future. I don't think they're done yet especially since their Supreme Leader got assassinated by the US.

[-] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

I still want to know why Iran had it's supreme leader and all the other high ups in a vulnerable location knowing this was going to break out into war. Some said maybe the supreme leader wanted to be a martyr, ok, but why was everyone else that was there there? Including the son of the supreme leader. Something stinks about this, Idk what, but there is some fuckery afoot.

[-] IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

You dropped your tin foil hat buddy.

[-] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

How do you figure that? The supreme leader, his son, and military higher ups gathered at the ayatollah's compound knowing Israel and the US were going to attack, and knowing Israel wanted to assassinate the Supreme Leader in the prior war.

One would have to be quite dishonest or slow to not question why they decided to gather there then, and the newspapers did ask that very question, including the guardian.

So frankly, your critique says a lot about your own quality.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Their existence is at risk as long as the US has military bases in the region.

[-] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Well, Iran has goals, but just ruining the world isn't one of them. Probably they'll charge fees and let traffic through selectively.

Negotiating an official solution to reopening it with other regional nations it is also a possibility. They can always shut it again if the US comes back.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

There are very few US ships.

Almost every ship from a western country flies a "flag of convenience" from a country like Liberia, Panama, the Marshall Islands, etc. If they flew the US flag they'd be subject to US laws, and have to meet US safety standards, pay taxes to the US government, etc.

The few US ships that exist are there to meet the requirements of the Jones Act which requires that shipments from a US port to another US port be done by ships owned by a US citizen, crewed by US citizens / permanent residents, built in the US, and so-on. These ships only serve US-to-US trips, so they don't go through the Strait of Hormuz. Incidentally, this is a big reason why prices in Hawaii are so high. Only US-flagged carriers can bring supplies from the US to Hawaii. And, with a population of only 1.5 million, it's not really efficient to send huge ships from other countries to Hawaii.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago

They can still track ships that go to the US and Israel, same way Yemen did.

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