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[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip 119 points 2 months ago

The microinverters stop feeding in if grid goes down. So it's safe.

[-] CMahaff@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Hmmm, I wonder how this would affect things in the future where this is widely used.

I.E. if you had both widespread solar usage and some kind of large blackout, would it be hard to get all your solar back online because it's all in the "waiting for the grid" state? And the grid can't come back at capacity because all the solar it's expecting is out?

I assume people smarter than me have this figured out, but just a random thought if anyone knows more.

[-] zurohki@aussie.zone 16 points 2 months ago

You turn on parts of the grid at a time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_start

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago

Yes, starting up a downed grid is a difficult problem. Recovering from a large scale failure could take weeks. Longer, with blown transformers.

[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 6 points 2 months ago

Assuming its not cheap piece of crap that isn't UL listed and that's where the problem is.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 2 months ago

How do you know? In a typical solar system, you have to have a permit, which requires an inspector to come out and ensure everything is configured correctly and safely. These don't require any permits, which is great for making them more affordable and accessible, but there's also no one coming around to make sure that anyone is doing it safely.

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip 48 points 2 months ago

I know it because it's in the spec necessary for licensing. It shuts off in under 20 ms so you can't even get shocked by the prongs of the plug if pulled out.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 6 points 2 months ago

What license? Who is coming to verify your license?

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip 40 points 2 months ago

It is a commercial product, connected to the grid via a standard schuko plug, sold in Germany. It has to be compliant with the local law to be sold legally.

It all shouldn't be so difficult to understand.

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[-] ywuduyu@piefed.social 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You are only allowed to sell inverters approved by VDE

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[-] shininghero@pawb.social 8 points 2 months ago

Easy check, grab a voltmeter and do it yourself.
Pull the plug, set voltmeter to AC, and read the voltage across the prongs. If you get anything over the usual float voltage you get from just holding the probes ungrounded, then you have a problem.

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[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Utilities must approve power export to the grid, even if you do the physical installation 100% off the books. It's called “Permission to Operate”, which requires permits and passed inspections. You can’t just unilaterally add shit to the power grid.

https://www.energysage.com/solar/solar-interconnection-what-you-need-to-know/

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[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago

What happens when someone makes an unsafe backfeed into a downed grid and then other nearby inverters detect the current and bring themselves back online? Is there a way to detect if the load is being delivered from the utility vs from incorrectly configured solar or generator installations?

Some others are arguing back and forth about this elsewhere in the thread and I see the reasoning: unpermitted systems could accidentally energize isolated portions of the grid during downtime, which might trick properly installed systems to also come back online, and you have a runaway effect where there is enough current present to allow addition safety systems to be fooled.

There isn’t any data transmission over the wires; there either is current, or there isn’t. Arguing over permitting is moot - either safety systems can handle this scenario already, or they can’t.

All paperwork does is slow the relief of dependence on the utility, which hurts their profits.

[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago

The same thing that currently happens when somebody does that with a gas generator? Linepersons get zapped… people get sued… etc…

There isn’t any data transmission over the wires…

That’s very wrong. Not only can you extend Ethernet in your own home using your power outlets, the power companies have been reading meters this way for decades.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 5 points 2 months ago

Linepersons get zapped… people get sued… etc…

Kinda seems like something you might want to avoid...

[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

Obviously. I was just pointing out that it isn’t an issue unique to solar.

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