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[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 35 points 3 days ago

Capitalism. Anyone who tries not to buy my shit is my enemy.

[-] LordCrom@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

In Florida I'm calling out FPL the local power company.

You would think in Florida having solar panels is a no brainer, but FPL fought it for years.

FPL successfully lobbied to have insurance companies deny coverage if panels are installed on a roof. You can't get windstorm insurance with panels unless you paythrought the nose.

FPL successfully lobbied to force homeowners with powerwalls and panels to take out a 1 million dollar insurance policy payable to FPL in case there's an accident that damages the grid....an accident that has never happened, ever.

FPL then has the gall to advertise solar energy and all the benefits, you can sign up for solar power provided by FPL for a slight increase in your bill to help the environment.

Mother fucking FPL

[-] artyom@piefed.social 172 points 4 days ago

I mean, it makes sense to me that consumers can't be pumping energy into the grid with no way to cut it off, but I'm not a lineman or some sort of civil engineer or whatever.

But if I were a lawmaker, I'd be on the phone with the Germans, who have 1.2M of these connected, and figuring out if and how they're doing it safely. But lawmakers seem to be somehow incapable of reaching out to people who know fuck all about anything.

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip 119 points 4 days ago

The microinverters stop feeding in if grid goes down. So it's safe.

[-] CMahaff@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Hmmm, I wonder how this would affect things in the future where this is widely used.

I.E. if you had both widespread solar usage and some kind of large blackout, would it be hard to get all your solar back online because it's all in the "waiting for the grid" state? And the grid can't come back at capacity because all the solar it's expecting is out?

I assume people smarter than me have this figured out, but just a random thought if anyone knows more.

[-] zurohki@aussie.zone 16 points 4 days ago

You turn on parts of the grid at a time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_start

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[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 6 points 3 days ago

Assuming its not cheap piece of crap that isn't UL listed and that's where the problem is.

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[-] SrMono@feddit.org 20 points 4 days ago

They are commonly used in many parts of Europe.

If you drop some Tariff percentages, we might be willing to advise.

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[-] RblScmNerfHerder@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

In the US, reaching out to other countries for advice, even if they're our allies, seems to be viewed as treason. At a minimum, seems like treason against "real" masculinity, on which American culture is fueled, especially now.

'Why don't you just stop to ask for directions?'

'I know where I'm going!!1!1111!1!!!!1!'

🙄

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

I had a chat about this with a friend who works for the national grid (UK).

Apparently the problem is keeping the grid balanced and stable. Basically, the grid struggles to react fast, so they plan ahead. Things like large scale solar can provide predictions on output. Home solar can't.

When clouds pass over an area it can cause slumps and surges in the local grid. The more home solar, the worse it gets. The current grid is designed to work top down, with predictable changes in demand. It needs upgrading to deal with large scale bidirectional flows.

The plug in units are (potentially) even more ropey. If used properly, they are no worse than normal home solar. Unfortunately, being cheaper, there are worries over the microinverters not shutting down. Either due to the manufacturer cheaping out, or turning on an "off grid" mode.

There are also worries about overloading household circuits. Back feeding bypasses the household circuit breakers and RCDs. They could overload wall wiring and cause fires, or stop an RCD tripping, allowing for a person to be shocked.

I don't know how much this would apply to the American Grid, but I would imagine it would be worse. Your grid is older and larger. You also use 120VAC which makes the current overload issue a lot worse.

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[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 18 points 3 days ago

Wait, solar panels are hard to use? When did they fuck that up?

[-] Gladaed@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago

Misleading name. These are basically all-in-one solar panels. It is much better to separate out inverters since they are scarce and expensive.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 96 points 4 days ago

plug a solar panel into a large battery backup, plug the major appliances into that.

Utility companies don't need to know shit.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 24 points 4 days ago

That's what I have. Basically a small-ish parallel electrical system that runs critical loads like a mini split, refrigerator, water heater, etc. And a small UPS for modem/server.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

These can output 1800W, 1100Wh, Starts at CAD$700 then you just pay more for more storage for bigger systems.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 6 points 3 days ago

That's a very small system that won't power much at all. Additionally I don't recommend these "all in one" systems, as they're typically more expensive, not as good, nor are they modular or repairable. Those are really if you need a "mobile" system.

[-] TronBronson@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Those are neat for camping or if the power goes out for the afternoon. I use mine mostly for my telescope.

[-] clif@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Out of curiosity, how do you have that setup (at a high level)?

I've got a bluetti system for emergency power (12kWh, 6kW AC output) but I need to plug things directly into it. It'd be nice to feed it directly to my house wiring but ... selectively. That is, I wouldn't want to power the HVAC but it would be nice to not have to shuffle the fridge/freezer plugs from the wall to the inverter.

Dedicated circuit(s) with a manual switch from mains to inverter, I'm guessing? But then we get into all the extras required to do that safely and avoid back feeding the grid.

Granted, they have systems/setups specifically for whole house power but I don't want to feed the whole house, just the important circuits/appliances.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Basically made a really sturdy pergola and then mounted solar panels to it. Ran that wiring to the MPPT, batteries and inverter in the garage. Put in a new small breaker box right next to the existing one, which made it real easy to just grab the wires for the critical loads and run them over to the new panel.

No need to worry about backfeeding, as I said they're parallel electrical systems, so it's not possible.

[-] clif@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Aha, the separate breaker box is the part I wasn't thinking about. I'll need to do some thinking on how I could make that work for me. Thank you for the info.

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[-] kittykillinit@lemy.lol 3 points 2 days ago

I'm so glad companies have enough excessive funds to use that money against me.

[-] raynethackery@lemmy.world 86 points 4 days ago

Why don't we just change the revenue model for power companies. I understand they need money to maintain the infrastructure and pay employees. If power generation becomes so cheap that it can't sustain the company then don't rely on that for revenue. I'd rather pay a flat rate for the infrastructure and operating costs than a fluctuating generation charge. And public utilities should not be for profit.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 33 points 4 days ago

Many places already do charge a “line charge” if you have solar power and use little or no utility company power. You pay for being hooked up to the grid even if you barely use it.

[-] TrumpetX@programming.dev 9 points 3 days ago

This. This is the way. It solves this problem completely, but utilities somehow refuse it. It's almost like their argument is not in good faith ...

[-] Enekk@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This is how it works in my area. I pay about $12/mo in fees, the rest is handled by solar. They don't pay me for excess solar, instead I get credit (in kWh, not dollars, thankfully) for it and any electricity I use at night or in the winter comes from that pool. Essentially, it makes the power company a big battery for me.

[-] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 4 days ago

When I got solar panels on my previous home there was a $5 a month line charge. That when went up to $8 the next year, then $10, then closer to $20. The power company (Duke Energy in case anyway wants to the shitty company's name) was determined to make it as painful as possible for people to use Solar. They were also apparently responsible for pushing to get it illegal in that area to go "off grid" and to have a cap on the amount of solar power a home could generate. At now point did these line changes stop them from raising the normal power usage rates mind you, this was just an extra "fuck you" from them.

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